153: Fermentation Fascination & Volunteer Matchmaking – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

Tony’s guests this week:

Sandor Katz is a fermentation revivalist

Scott Koegler is editor of Nonprofit Technology News

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Metoo hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Oh, i hope you’re with me last week why i would suffer atrial fib relation if it came to my attention that you had missed the event leadership puzzle from fund-raising day twenty thirteen our panel solved the puzzle for honorees, chairs, hosts and committees, from goal setting and recruitment to motivation and thanks and back to board basics. Jean takagi are legal contributor was here he talked about who belongs on your board and for how long should you ceo be on the board? Is it okay if your ceo chairs? What about vendors? Jeanne and i differed on vendors actually show, so i shut off his mike he’s, the principal of non-profit and exempt organizations law group in san francisco, and we’re going to continue that conversation in a couple of weeks very shortly this week out of the blue fermentation fascination. This is a brand new feature this week we’re going to bring in people who have unusual and interesting jobs and in some ways support non-profits and our inaugural out of the blue guest. Is sand or cats he’s a fermenter? He calls himself sandorkraut we’re going to talk about the history, the benefits and the methods of fermenting foods, and sandra is going to share his simple sauerkraut recipe cool and volunteermatch making scott koegler is our monthly technology contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news this month, we’re talking about tech that matches willing volunteers with seeking charities between the guests on tony’s take to my non-profit bootcamp interview. I’m really excited, teo introduce our first out of the blue guest sandor alex katz is a fermentation revivalist. Newsweek called his first book, wild fermentation the fermenting bible. The new york times said that he has become for fermentation with timothy leary was for psychedelic drugs a charismatic we’ll see about that, i hope so. Consciousness raising thinker and advocate who wants people to see the world in a new way. End quote his latest book, the art of fermentation, received a james beard award and you’ll find him in rural tennessee as well as wild fermentation dot com sandorkraut its welcome to the show. Thanks for having me on tony it’s good it’s a real pleasure. I’m really you know. People say i’m excited to introduce, but i am excited because you’re our first out of the blue guest and i think fermentation is a fascinating thing. We’re going to learn a lot more about it, so i am excited that you’re on show. Thanks for being here. Thanks. Metoo um, how did you get into fermentation send or? Well, let’s see, i grew up, i grew up in new york city and, you know, for reasons i couldn’t possibly explain one of my favorite foods is a kid with some sour pickles, garlic, dill, fermented pickles. So i’ve i’ve always been drawn, teo, you know, some of the flavors of fermentation, but what really got me to begin practicing fermentation is twenty years ago when i moved from new york city to rural tennessee and started keeping a garden, you know, there was just a moment when there was a whole row of cabbages, and i decided to learn how to make sauerkraut, you know, really with based on this sort of practical dilemma, what do i do with all these veggies that are ready at the same time? Um, and then, you know, you know, one thing led to another, i started exploring all sorts of realms of fermentation started making yogurt in a little bit of cheese. I started doing some, uh, bread making using a sour dough, i started making wine sort of elderberries and blueberries and other kinds of berries and, you know, i just, uh i just got kind of obsessed with fermentation and, you know, spend a decade indulging that obsession and learning, learning about it, um and, you know, really everybody lives fermented foods and beverages cool, and if you walk into a gourmet food store, most of what you see are products of fermentation, and they’re just part of people’s lives in all parts of the world in lots of ways that i think we don’t recognize. The other reason that i’m excited today is because our creative producer, claire meyerhoff, is in the studio with me from north carolina. Hi, claire. Welcome. Hi, tony, how are you today, it’s a party it’s a privilege to have you? So i’m excited that sanders are first out of the blue guest, and i’m excited that a long time creative producer from the beginning, this is not this is not new krauz meyerhoff is with me in studio help tony with his very first show that’s very true helped him ferment the show very good. So it has come. Yeah, you have a question for science. You have a question for you in your first remarks. You you said something about that you started practicing fermenting and that caught my attention because it’s like saying you practice yoga, you don’t do yoga, you practise it. So tell me a little bit about the fermenting. What i mean by that is that, you know, for my entire life since i’ve been, you know, eating food, i’ve been eating products of fermentation, and everybody does. You couldn’t possibly not. If you eat bread, you’re you’re eating something that’s fermented. If you’re eating cheese, hearing something that’s fermented um, you know, if you’re putting any kind of condiment on your sandwich well, that’s based on something that’s, fermented vinegar if it’s not directly fermented, self like soy sauce or or fish sauce. But you know, really, what i’m saying is that, you know, fermentation is everywhere everybody eats products of fermentation every day until seventy five years ago, it was just part of what people did. In every community it was part of producing food was was fermenting some of it. But as food production has, you know, disappeared from the fabric of our lives in fermentation has disappeared with it. But at the same time we’ve developed this fear of bacteria, so people assumed that, you know, fermentation is, you know, potentially dangerous or highly technical. So so for me, that’s the significant thing there that’s the moment that that significant in my story is when i began a practice of fermentation doing it for myself. Well, there is a bit of a meditative quality to it because you have to let it let it sit. And you have to kind of think about it. It doesn’t happen right away. It’s. Not like stir frying. Exactly. Exactly. There’s there’s. Always a time component. Joes have tto wait. Whether it’s a few hours, a few days, a few weeks or in certain cases a few years fermentation. Can i get a word in claire? I don’t know. You brought me into the studio, you know, you get what you wish for. I got screwed. Fermentation goes back. There’s there’s. Records of fermentation in our inn in archaeology, right? We’re going back thousands of years. Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, the earliest archaeological evidence that we currently have goes back nine thousand years. But, you know, of course, you know, foods and microorganisms, you know, don’t don’t leave lots of trace is it’s sort of the pottery is the traces. So, you know, we can surmise that the desire for vessels for fermentation was the incentive for figuring out pottery and that people have been practicing fermentation for longer than we’ve had pottery vessels, but yes, for at least thousands of years. And i would point out it’s just a natural biological phenomenon that happens without us. So, you know, i think that our our primate ancestors were, to some degree familiar with fermentation. My niece’s husband, they live in vermont. And he’s a scientist he sends this whole day doing scientific research. But his hobby is pickling things. And you, if you open any any closet in their house, you see these jars with different vegetables in there, and they’re pickling. Do you see this is like a new trend for millennials? Well, i mean, i i mean, i would say the people, i mean people have been have always pickled things. You know, people who’ve had gardens have always had a reason. Teo pickle things to put things up, and the word pickling covers a lot of ground. You know, most contemporary pickles involved just pouring hot vinegar over vegetables and essentially sterilizing them in the jar. But you can also pickle things like a sauerkraut or kimchi could be called in a pickle. The kosher deals that i grew up loving, our pickles and those air basically just vegetables in a saltwater brian where fermentation creates lactic acid that preserved vegetables. So all the, you know, micro microbial activity is very sort of present and alive in those stiles pickles on fermentation is going on in our bodies do, isn’t it, sander? Yeah, sure. I mean, the cells of our bodies are capable of fermentation. And when we sort of call upon particular muscles to do more work than there were providing them oxygen for the reverts to this ferment a tive mode of metabolism where they produce lactic acid is a byproduct. And that the source of the feeling of a muscle burns, you know, also women’s bodies actually produced a carbohydrate. Glycogen that supports ah population of lactic acid bacteria that creates an acidic environment that facilitates human reproduction. Who, you know there’s, a huge amount of fermentation going on. So in a number of different ways, you know, in our bodies there’s, lots of fermentation, that’s, exciting. Andi, i have felt that when i’m when i’m working out, you feel like burning pain in your legs after a run. That’s ah that’s, lactic acid, you’re saying, yeah, that that that’s like to guess that that’s, basically, you know, the incredible sort of ingenuity and flexibility of of our bodies. If we’re not giving them enough oxygen for the oxidative mode, they have this other mode of energy production, the fermented mode outstanding. All right, we’re going to take a break. We go away for a couple seconds. 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California was always checking in north carolina, texas, new york, new york, washington, washington and oregon have been have been checking in, and of course i can. I was wrong. I can’t send podcast pleasantries to everybody listening to the podcast, especially our friends in germany. Lots of podcast listeners in germany, like over a thousand um, sander, you, uh you mentioned a love of ah early love of garlic pickles. You prefer those over the naan garlic country? You’re kind um, my my favorite kinder with garlic and deal. And right now, in my garden, i have an explosion of cucumbers, and so i’m seeing some garlic dill pickles in my near future, you’ll be meditating about those as a squire said so. So for people who have an excess of cabbage, this could also be very valuable, right? Yeah, sure. I mean, any vegetable can be fermented, you know. Using pretty similar technique. Um, you know, the classic is definitely fermented cabbage, sauerkraut, but you can add, you know, different vegetables together. Often i’ll add carrots to the sauerkraut, but it’s a really very versatile process. And we want teo establish your bona fide these for being on this show, you’re you, you do work with local non-profits in western tennessee, don’t you? Well, i mean, for for my whole life, i’ve been involved in a, uh, different kinds of non-profits when i still lived in new york, i worked for some non-profits i did fund-raising you know, now now my involvement is much more let’s, say, casual and peripheral, but but, yeah, i think it’s important, tio um, you know, sort of support local charitable organizations and people doing good works. What was the occasion for your move from new york city, the western tennessee that’s that’s a pretty big move on and actually it’s, not western tennessee in middle tennessee where we’re looking, but, i mean, basically, it was a moment when i was trying to make a big change in my life and, you know, i met some people who were part of ah, um uh community here and i was very intrigued by the stories they told and decided to come visit and check out what they were doing, and i don’t know, i mean, as much as anything, just the idea of, you know, moving to a rural environment, getting involved in keeping a garden, you know, drinking fresh spring water, you know, those things were very appealing to me. Um, and, uh, so yeah, it was it was a big change of life moving from, you know, manhattan to a rural county with maybe ten thousand people in it. My wife recently started her first garden. She no longer lives in new york. City’s move teo, a suburb of indianapolis, and she has this beautiful garden is probably forty year, maybe even fifty five, forty feet long and about twenty feet wide, with lots of different varieties of lettuce and varieties of peppers. Broccoli didn’t do so well this year, but she sent me a picture of her just so proudly sitting at the garden with with little young sprouts like all the sprouts for, like, two or three inches, but the first, you know, the first time and she’s just so she just looked so pleased with herself in that little picture. It’s. Lovely, but i mean, it’s, it’s, very gratifying, you know, t grow food, and it puts you in touch with, you know, the land and the sort of incredible potential of the seeds and, you know, puts you in this sort of nurturing role and it’s very empowering, because you know this, you know, really limited amount of work you’re doing is producing all this wonderful fresh food, and you can just, you know, taste and feel how you know how healthy it is to eat such fresh food and and it’s incredibly fun and rewarding that’s. Then, claire, do you have a garden and, you know, i mean, people do it all over. I mean, you know, i’m in touch with people in new york. Were involved in, you know, urban community gardens, rooftop gardens. I mean, i think that, you know, lots of people everywhere are getting more interested in gardening and producing their own food. You know, in supporting local farmers, i think, you know, all these things are interconnected. You have a garden, claire. I think the extent of my gardening was pretty much. I’ll buy one of those basil plants or something and keep it on my windowsill in pluck from it. All right. I see that in the city a lot fresher than any baseball. You could possibly that’s, right? And you know that it doesn’t have besides. And fungicides and pesticides in your its little in this little pot, right? Yes. I think an herb garden is a good way to garden for the for the bow tannic ly challenged like myself. You know, sanders, you have a sauerkraut recipe that that’s really simple that i wanted to share with us. Please. Okay, sure. So i will tell you the short version. And let me tell you that if you look at my website, wild fermentation dot com, you confined a much more sort of fleshed out version of it. If you need more details, i always i always recommend fermenting vegetables, as you know, the best way to sort of make a first step into fermentation it’s a it’s a great gateway into fermentation because you don’t need any special equipment. You don’t need any special starter cultures, you know it’s really? Absolutely intrinsically safe. There’s. Never been a documented case of food poisoning from fermented vegetables in the united states. Um uh, you see results relatively quickly and it’s. Incredibly delicious and healthy. Um, you take some cabbage on dh, chop it up, you can augment it with other vegetables, carrots, turnips of the root vegetables, onions, garlic. You know, almost any vegetable you could imagine. Just chop it up and then lightly salted. You know, don’t get caught up on a sort of magic number of how much salt you need to use lightly salted taste it. Make sure it tastes. Ah, good to you can always add more salt. If you like it’s. Easier to add salt in it is to attract salt. Um, and then take your your shredded salted vegetables in a bowl and just spend five minutes with your hands just squeezing them on dh. What this does is it kind of bruises, the vegetables breaks down some cell walls. Our objective here is to get the vegetable submerged under their own juices and by squeezing them, you make them juicy. So it’s easy when you stuffed him into a jar to press them down and have their juices rise up over them. Then once you’re vegetables are nice and juicy, you take a jar. Aa wide mouth jar is easier than a narrow necked jar. You could certainly use a a beautiful ceramic crock if you have one. But a jar’s is something simple that everybody has. Ah, court jar will take about two pounds of vegetables to fill, and then you just stuff the vegetables into the jar. Um, uh and used some force and expel any air pockets. And as you press the vegetables down, you will see liquid rising up over them. Bilich um, andi, and then you just leave it for a few days. I like to leave it right on my kitchen counter world see it. Because if you seal the jar there’s going to be all this carbon dioxide that’s produced and it’ll pre-tax crate some pressure and it’s okay, to feel the jar, but you’ve got to be sure every day or so to release the pressure. Okay, um, now, you know, the big question of fermentation is, when is it ready? You know, window, i eat it. How do i know that? It’s ready and there’s. Just no straightforward answer to that question. I mean, if you were, you know, doing this on a homestead with with a seller, you would probably make enough to get you through the winter, and it would be fermenting for months and months on. Some people like it best after several months, but you really can start to eat it. After just a couple of days, the thie acids air forming, there’s dense populations of probiotic back syria. Um, um, you know, the textures changing. So? So what i recommend that people do is just tasted every two or three days, eat a little bit of it and then press it down. Make sure it gets submerged under under the juices again on dh. Then you get to see a progression of flavours and, you know, do you like it? Mohr and mohr as it gets more acidic? Or did you like it best after, you know four days and then it started to get too strong for you. The beautiful thing about fermenting yourself, like making anything for yourself is you can figure out how you like it and make it the way you like it. So many people prefer a milder crowd that’s fermented for a shorter period of time than what they’ve typically been exposed too. You can make it spicy. You could make it not bye. See you could ferment for weeks and weeks or just for a few days. There’s a lot of possibilities once you understand, you know the basic process, which is that simple, you know, charm, salt, squeeze stuff in a jar and wait a few days. What are some of the spices you could add if you besides the soul? I mean, some classic spicing ideas would be tearaway seed juniper berries in the korean tradition of kimchi, it would be hot chili peppers and garlic and ginger and shallots or onions. Um, but but people are doing a lot of non traditional vegetable fermentation these days, and i’ve had some excellent curry crowds that have, you know, turmeric and, you know, other curry spices in them. Um you could certainly do a deal. Flavored crowdster you can incorporate fruit that’s. Very popular eastern europe. You know, cranberries or little bits of other bits of other kinds of fruits in with sauerkraut. You know, there’s really infinite possibilities. And you know, your imagination is really the only limitation. Alright. You mentioned earlier that that ah, among all the foods that are fermenting or fermented there were not aware of chocolate. How is that? How is that a fermentation product? Well, chocolate and also coffee, um are fermented on the harvesting end. So this happens in the tropical places where cacau and coffee grow with with cacau it’s, the, uh, the pods after they’re harvested, you know, art are mounded and moistened with water. Um, to, uh, to facilitate a spontaneous fermentation. And this, uh, both digests the fibres that hold the cacau beans into the pods. And it also helps develop the flavour that we associate with chocolate. Um and, uh, and similarly a coffee it’s the it’s, the beans right when they’re harvested are mounted on the ground moistened and allowed to spontaneously ferment and that’s part of the flavor development. No, um, tell me something else. About fermentation that i haven’t asked you. What will would you like to share about it? Well, i mean, i think that was one thing that’s really on people’s minds a lot today, uh, is this idea of probiotics and a growing awareness of how important you know, bacteria are in our bodies, you know? And yet, because of antibiotic drugs, anti avectra cleansing products, chlorinated water way have, you know, quite a bit of chemical exposure that, you know, subjects the bacteria in our bodies to assault. So, you know, people are turning tio supplements er of probiotics and just thinking about, you know, how to, you know, replenish and diversify their bacterial populations in the gut, and i would say that really, there’s no better way to do this then with fermented foods, you have to understand that not all fermented foods contain live bacterial cultures. Um, a cup of coffee does not contain latto pectoral cultures aloof of bread, that’s been big, does not contain life bacterial cultures. It’s really, those ferment that have not been cooked after their fermentation. So yogurt is a classic example of a live culture food, but sauerkraut provided it hasn’t been canned is another one. What about beer? Is that? Is that a fermenting process? Oh, absolutely. Here and your wine sake. All alcoholic beverages are products of fermentation. Absolutely. Now, in terms of the life bacterial cultures that i was talking about, i mean, historically. Okay. In the natural world, microorganisms don’t do not exist singularly. You’d never find a single type of microorganism. So historically, alcoholic beverages have always also had lactic acid bacteria as well as a cz well as these. But, you know, really what? Louis pesters, you know, achievement that sort of spawned the field of microbiology was isolating a single organism yeast. So, you know you can in any supermarket you can buy a packet of pure yeast. No, you know, most commercial, you know, beers and wines are made with, you know, just pure yeast and don’t have you no other bacteria in with them. Sandorkraut is it? We have to wrap up just a couple minutes. What is it that you love about doing this work? Well, really, i mean, what, what, what? What got me interested in teaching and speaking about fermentation is the mystifying it. I mean, fermentation is just such a it’s. Such an important part of everybody’s life. I mean, on lee because, you know, so many of the foods that are central to every culinary tradition, you know, all around the world involved fermentation, um, you know, and yet because, uh, you know, fermentation has largely disappeared from, you know, our families and our and our households and our and our communities, and disappeared behind factory doors. People have become very intimidated by it. You know, we’re taught to be afraid of, uh, bacteria and microorganisms, and so there’s there’s, just all of this fear and with the food is simple and safe and sauerkraut. I mean, you know, everybody’s terrified, you know, how can i be sure i’m getting good bacteria growing and not bad bacteria? You know, we’ve just been taught to have so much fear about about bacteria, so so i got, you know, i’m interested in empowering people and, you know, helping people learn how to do this with, you know, with confidence and do it safely. Um, and effectively, sandora. Alex katz, sandorkraut he’s, a fermentation revivalist, and you will find him at wild fermentation dot com. Sandra, thank you very much for being our inaugural out of the blue guest pleasure. All right, tony. Well, it’s. A pleasure to be on your show out of the blue, thanks very much. Bye, sander. We go away for a couple seconds, and when we come back, it’s, tony’s, take two and then volunteermatch making with scott koegler and, of course, clear meyerhoff. Still here. Stay with us. E-giving didn’t think dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking alternate network e-giving. Dahna duitz are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? 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Schnoll if you have big ideas and an average budget, tune into the way above average. Tony martin. Any non-profit radio ideo. I’m jonah helper from next-gen charity. Hi there. This week’s tony’s take two is what i blogged about this week, which is my non-profit bootcamp interview. Jamie bristowe lavoy from non-profit match one the number one dot com put together a series of interviews with consultants and some other people, and i was one of them in this non-profit boot camp. Another one was bob penna who’s, the author of the non-profit outcomes toolbox and he’s been a guest on this show so you can hear the two of us in any case. And about five other people were interviewed for the boot camp. And i talked about the importance and the timeliness of planned giving and charity registration on my thanks to jamie bristowe, lavoy at non-profit match one dot com for including me and also we have a couple of minutes. I wantto ask claire miree clair aside from being creative producer of this show, which is more than a full time job but she’s able to squeeze in being principal of the plant e-giving agency, which is marketing and communications for planned giving programs. What’s ah what’s happening in plan giving, marketing communications. Well, i think that aa lot of savvy clients thes tae’s air taking like a different look at their plan giving marketing maybe they’ve been at it for a few years. They have a website, they’ve been doing some mailings and things like that, but i found that some clients are asking me like, well, what else can we do? What’s something kind of different, so i’ll help them come up with a little project. I always call it like a special project and it’s about basically finding a group of niche donors that you might have that you’ve been kind of ignoring. And how can you drill down your list of your millions of donors down to a group of maybe, like, i don’t know, maybe two hundred so narrow your audience to about two hundred people and then asked them to do something for you, send them a letter and ask them some questions, maybe try to get some little bit of content out of them, but basically, what you’re trying to do is engage them and see what level of interest they have in your organization. So a little special letter, maybe to a small group of people now, if you don’t have a list of a million, which a lot of our listeners, if you have a list of a thousand, you can still ask twenty or twenty five people can’t exactly cause it’s about starting a conversation, the best plan giving people out there that have really, you know, robust plan giving programs, big universities and things, right? So what what’s their job? A za plan giving officer theirjob is mostly to try to get conversations with people so their their goal is tio identify someone that will sit down and actually have a conversation with them about how they’re supporting the organization, what their future plans might be? Are we in your will for how much are we in your will? So the goal is always to have a conversation with an individual’s, so if you don’t have a big plan giving department and a plan giving officer, wouldn’t it be nice to sort of identify a small group of people and have a conversation with them? Start the conversation that helps you identify who these really loyal, really interested people r thank you and letters. I’m a lot of people these days. They’re hiring me to write letters for them direct mail still. Does very well wreck male and very and again more specific letters. One letter i just did for an organization was was very clean. They had wanted to send out a big, fat request letter to a bunch of people and say, like, oh, it’s very important you give us a request for these reasons, and then we do this and we do that, and i got them to ditch that and to instead just send a letter from an existing plan giving donor a guy who says, you know, a year ago i did the best thing i ever did. I put this organization in my will have, you know, a story half tells you stories, even a story, just the fact that someone did it and have you done it to you and to see if people will respond to that letter and say, yeah, i’ve done it. So before you try to explain to people a whole bunch of stuff or tell them a big story, why don’t you just find out if they’ve just plain old put you in their will already? Okay, simple letters. My first my first guest, i think for tony’s take two. Never had i don’t think i’ve ever had a somebody else come into and give insight for on tony’s tech to take to take claire, take two to table tio tio car meyerhoff plan giving agency she’s saying that she’s not going anywhere, not that she’s going anywhere, but we’re going to bring in r monthly technology contributor scott koegler he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, which you will find at n p tech news. Dot com scotty koegler how you doing? Good tony, how you i’m doing terrific, lee, thanks for being on the show today. It’s. Good to have you back. Problem. You were talking about the beer we’re talking about volunteers and matching volunteers. There’s ah there’s a boon in volunteerism. It’s, it’s critical for charities. Obviously, right? I mean, aside from volunteering funds and that kind of thing, that time is a big deal time and talents and you’re right. I mean, the boom. I was really amazed to read these statistics, and i just kind of re kapin here. These air from the corporation for national community service. Um sixty four point three million americans, which equates to about twenty six point eight percent. Of the adult population. Think about that more than a quarter of the adult population is actually giving of their time for free. Just amazing. Especially in these times when, you know, people really know that more than that, many people want work, right? Yeah, right. And that amounts to almost eight billion hours. Um, with the service it’s just that. That that’s just amazing. Number two may i just but it’s almost restores my faith in humanity that people actually, uh, you know, do care about the environment of people around him. Yeah, yeah. We’re ah, were a volunteer culture mean, we wantto we want to help each other right on dh and coarse. You know, with that kind of numbers becomes the question what? How do you deal with it? How do you put that together? How do you manage the people that obviously want to do something and match them up with things that are available to do and, you know, yeah. It’s like social media, right? I mean, you’ve got a lot of things to do. And how do you actually get to the people that not only are qualified to do that? I want to. Do it okay. And that’s, where the that technology is going to help us match the match, the willing volunteers with the charities that are in need. So what? And this is also good for employers as well, right? Right. Because, you know, when you have employees who are dedicated to the community probably means of just kind of a better all around person, but is a part of your staff so that’s on the internal side and then from the external side, i guess pr kind of thing if you have people that are being helpful, the community that’s exposed, exposing your organization, your for-profit organization as a do gooder organization as well. So that’s, always good and mix for ah loyal and productive employees, because we know that if people want to help and you’re giving them you as the employer are giving them a way of helping charity’s, then i think that also leads to a productive, happier employees, right, and possibly happier and more productive customers. No mean, every every company is looking for ways to get customers toe two do more business with them. And if part of that is that’s the whole point behind. Social media for for profit organizations is that you get people to, like you interact with them, show them something that is good about the company rather than just all the complaints that inevitably come up. So all right, so just another feather in the cap. So let’s, bring this to the to the technology. You’re the yeah, the technology contributor. Now we know the value of volunteerism all around. What what’s what’s the technology doing for us? Well, overall, what it’s doing is matching. I mean, if you think about the basic matching stuff, the one that comes to mind probably the most people’s match dot com where you’re taking individuals, uh, attributes and interests and talents and all those kind of things and locations, of course, and your matching them up with in terms of match dot com with other people with the same kinds of interests. This it’s the same kind of technology. I’m looking at one online right now. Is volunteermatch shot or ge? Yes, just like that volunteermatch that organ right on the front page here. I just brought it up when it says what, uh, what do you care about in and then it knows where i am? Of course. Traveller’s rest south carolina. So it right there, it’s helping me too find things that i mean, that i’m a like when they want to do in my local area. So the technology here is obviously on the very first part of it is knowing i just get a little bit technical here. Tony, um, it’s tracing my i p address my internet protocol address, which is the connection between me and the internet and those things are pretty much location based, so it knows my location that nose in this case, i’m in traveller’s rest, okay? And if i were accessing it on my phone, it would actually just do g p s ok. And so the interesting this is the same technology that that match dot com and christian mingle and i don’t know others other, uh, e-giving findings of them, but yes, exactly. Its interest and location based after at the very top level. Okay, so those interests, they’re going to match e guess your skills with a charity’s needs. Yeah. So let’s, just let’s. Just do a little experiment here. I’m on. This one here is volunteermatch dot org’s and first of all, it knows where i am, but it really doesn’t know anything about me because i’ve never logged in here before you, so i’ll just say i care about animals and see what comes up with, um, pets and people. Um, the hospital luthan hospice of south carolina, no volunteer foreign exchange student, pet therapy volunteers now that might be one cut therapy volunteers, which is a hospice. So i mean, there it is. Within about what, five seconds i found something that might match what i like to do so i could get my animal. You know, i got a friendly dog. I could take the dog down too. The pet therapy volunteers and held out no, pretty amazing, actually. Okay, now, of course, in volunteermatch has gotta be a place there’s a portal. I’m sure for charities to sign up as well. Well, yeah, i think you know, the hospice qualifies is charity, right? Right. But i’m saying you you entered as an individual they would enter is right. They will enter as a charity on dh. They’d be assuming, you know, i assumed they would be putting in what there they’re volunteer needs are what? What they’re what they’re looking for, right? Just the top of this one again, we’ll stick with volunteermatch they’re two things. One has find opportunities, which is obviously what i did right next to it is recruit volunteers. So in that case, see, they have volunteers connected since nineteen, eighty eight, seven million, so they, you know, they have done this a bit. Okay, another three to join. So so it’s free for the charities, claire, i’m so i’m sorry. No. Good. Yeah. So, yeah, i would assume. Well, i don’t know if it’s free. How does this website make make money? They’ve advertisers are well, i just scroll down a bit and it shows here this is built on the freemium concept, which is you get the basic level for free, which includes recruiting tools on on referral for fools from corporate partners, tracking and reporting in a photo manager. Then for for seventy five dollars for the year, you get this whole bunch of other stuff. So still a seventy five dollars that’s uh, that’s not bad. Okay, another one that i’m familiar with is catch a fire dot or ge. And i know that one because of rachel chung who’s. The ceo has been a guest, and you’ll find my interview with her on the youtube channel. Real tony martignetti dot com look for catch fire, or rachel chung, a young woman and very vibrant. And but doing the same type of work that that that we’re talking about, we’ll take a break. And when we come back, we’ll wrap this up. But also, i neglected to mention earlier, scott is goingto inaugurate. Another new feature, he’s goingto recommend bottles of wine, he’s, an oenophile, and that i don’t think that qualifies for jargon jail, because i think people know what file is. He’s got cinephile, and each month, he’s, going toe as a wind kind of sewer is going to recommend a bottle of wine, twenty dollars or under. So stay with us for all of that. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Duitz are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. 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Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Scott, what else? What else do you want to leave us with around this volunteermatch ing between charities and the willing volunteers? I you know, i mean, there’s. Plenty of web sites out there. The technology is available. And i think that if if they organization is not no really utilizing the volunteers it’s probably a matter of not trying because obviously people want to volunteer. They want to give up their time and talents, and they’re really looking for just the right place to put it. So, uh, advice. You know, just go do it. Find a one of these websites that is free or an expensive sign up for it and put it out there and see how it works. Because apparently it is working to put a lot of places. You have another one. That’s. Ah. Also mentioned in the in the article at n p tech news. Dot com. Besides, so we we talked about volunteermatch dot or ge catch a fire dot or ge you have another one or two. Uh, disaster ready. Dot org’s is the one that’s uh, mentioned in there. And so that that one is another one of these, and what they do is they specialize in having things preview pre-tax four disasters and its specialized for those kind of things, and they’re you know, how to get mobilized howto find people kind of put things together before things happened, so it’s, you know, well, well intentioned, and it looks like they do a great job, although i don’t have any personal experience with them, okay? And is disaster ready? Also for individuals who want to gain skills for a disaster? I think it is. I know that it’s it’s put together by cornerstone on demand foundation, and so they do a lot of these kinds of getting ready kinds of things they’ve got food for the hungry america cares, they’ve got a whole bunch of these. Ah, no, i’m not really sure which one of these is, uh uh, does what? For which organizations but it’s another one of those that’s worth taking a look at if you’re non-profit looking for ways to make the best out of your best efforts with your with your volunteers. Okay, well, let’s, move to your other expertise. Claire told me on the break that, you know, file actually does qualify for jargon jail. So i guess i shouldn’t have let you know. I mean, you know what? You know. All right. Well, first, i think, well, we want to spell it. It starts with an o o and o p h i l e in a file on dh claire would know who belongs in jargon jail because, claire, you you created george jargon jail. I branded jargon jael and i came up with the term jargon, jargon jail. And i don’t know if this qualifies for jargon jail, because it qualifies more for, like, just words you don’t know. Jail. Okay, well, that doesn’t sound his fundez drug in jail, though. All right, sort of just like vocabulary vestibule. Another alliteration is all right. All right, scott. So you’re goingto each time you come on, you’re going to recommend ah, bottle of wine. That’s. Twenty dollars or under. What? What? What do you have for this month? Um, i have one that this is actually one of my very favorites. And tony, this is right up your alley. This is an italian line and you know one of the things. About wines is the story behind them. I mean, the taste obviously, is one of the things that what’s attractive about it. But this this is a this is an italian line it’s a valve pulawski piela which is actually a great with riot allies they call it and, uh, this is from the territory northern end of italy called verona, which, you know, is romeo and juliet and all that kind of thing. So it’s a kind of ah very historical place. And so this is a what i’m recommending is a courtier majoli two thousand eight val pulawski piela and this is a different about bullet shell. You know, most of these wines are you take the grapes to squeeze him, you know, you let them ferment tulani stick him in a bottle. Falik the easy way. This one here is also there’s a second process to this is a really posso alright p a s s o ripoff, so i’m not sure it’s literally that means route to re pass. So what they do is they take the grape skins after they’ve squeezed them and they set them aside and then after the wind has run through its first fermentation, they actually pour the wine back through the skins and been doing that. It picks up a little bit more sugar, a little bit more fermentation. And this amazing flavor it’s uh, it’s not sweet, although it sounds like there’s a lot of sugar in it, but it’s not sweet at all. Um and it’s just it’s. Just one of those things that you see, you try to put your finger where you actually your tongue on the flavor and it’s it’s tough to do. Interesting. Now i’m notoriously although i i have tasted lots of lines. I’m just terrible at describing flavors but it’s a, uh it’s a semi typical italian valpolicella, which is a kind of a dry wine. It’s got notes of maybe some raisins and some plum and that kind of thing. But it’s, one of those you really have to experience and first price, you know, it’s it’s. Fifteen dollars, which is just phenomenal. Okay. Are our first guests of sandra cats and talked all about fermentation. So this makes this makes a lot of sense. Of course. Wine. He mentioned all the alcohol products we talked about. Um, do you have a. You have an online source for your wine, or do you buy it? Ah, local shop or what way buy-in around here in this in this area way come to know some of the distributors. This one here we actually get from a local distributor. So even if i told you it was, it wouldn’t be any good, because right now, he’s probably not where you are. But i will tell you one one thing i’d like to plug and it’s something called the vino, the i v i and o it’s an app for your phone, for your smartphone or your tablet. I think you can get it online on regular website as well. But it’s a great tool because what it does is it allows you to take your phone and take a picture of the label of the bottle, and it automatically stands with those all this fancy ocr conversion. And then it looks it up and it says, oh, you know, two hundred people scan this one and they said it’s really good and they they they founded that these places to buy, and it should cost you around this amount of money and then you can put your own tasting notes in it, so okay, so, it’s a good afternoon. I’m on there. So if somebody does download that i’m on their good and follow me on there as well, we can share notes about line. So you need to do that, honey. Okay. Vivino okay, um, we just have about two minutes left. You mentioned notes of raisins. And i mean, are you able to taste different things when you are you trained that way. Your tongue, khun denote these things, these flavors? Well, as i kind of mentioned, i’m really bad at it. I have a couple of friends who are master sommelier is, you know, someone is the guy at the restaurant that comes around. We’ll cup around his neck and taste the line and says, you know, if it’s good or not, but they actually are, you know, that’s. Part of their training is the expertise of saying yes, this has, you know, i could taste rust. I can taste pencil, lead some of the things they come up with, just my goodness hazing to me. I don’t know what kind of restaurant you go to. I never had a guy, come around with a with a little cup around his neck. I really had waitresses and waiters hold out their hands for a tip. That’s not what this cup is for. You don’t put money in it, do you? That’s what? Subway somebody’s holding a cup of tea. Just put a dollar bill in it, but that’s not what you’re talking about. No, not now. Okay. All right. We have to leave it there, you know file, which is wind connoisseur, wine expert and technologist. Scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news at n p tech news. Dot com scottie, thank you for talking about volunteers. And thank you for talking about val pola piela. Thanks, tony. Take care. My pleasure. Claire meyerhoff. Any any enclosing notes for the show? I just want to say that you do a fantastic job with your radio show. I’m so very impressed with your interviewing skills and your your, you know, knowledge of your subject matter. And you’re over the top. She’s an old radio galaxies. The greatest guy ever. She’s a pro she’s a pro, used to be a w t o p in washington, washington i’ve worked at x. And satellite radio is a talk show host. All kinds of stuff. Thanks for being on the run. 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098: Your More Effective Board & A Conversation With Paul Clolery – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio

Tony’s guests this week:

Gayle Gifford, author of “How To Make Your Board Dramatically More Effective, Starting Today”

Paul Clolery, editor in chief of The Nonprofit Times

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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host. I very much hope that you were with me last week. It would cause me great vengeance and furious anger if i learned that you had missed e-giving in two thousand eleven, how could that have happened? How could you have missed giving in two thousand eleven? E-giving yusa and atlas of giving use very different methods to report charitable giving e-giving yusa is a survey that looks back the atlas is a forward looking prediction with e-giving yusa boardmember and the atlas of giving ceo we contrast, id the methods and heard what each had to say about last year’s e-giving numbers and video talk with scott scott koegler our tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news. He shared buzz on video sites, many that air free that help you make good looking videos to tell your stories this week, you’re more effective board. Gail gifford is the author of how to make your board dramatically more effective starting today. Starting today, she’ll help you make sure your charities mission is relevant. Your ceo is supported and your board is strong. Also, a conversation with paul clolery he’s, the editor in chief of the non-profit times. We talk about what he sees trending and what concerns him about the future. For charities. Between the guests. On tony’s, take two non-profit radios. One hundredth show it’s in two weeks on friday, july thirteenth. I’ll say little about that. Use the hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. Right now, i’ll take a break, and when we return, it’s your arm or effective board with author gail gifford, stay with me, co-branding think dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding, you’re listening to the talking alternate network e-giving. Nothing. Cubine hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. Listen to my show for ideas and information to help you live a healthier life in body, mind and spirit, you’ll hear from terrific guests who are experts in the areas of health, wellness and creativity. So join me every thursday at eleven a, m eastern standard time on talking alternative dot com professionals serving community. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping huntress people be better business people. Dahna you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Hello and welcome back. I’m glad you’re with me. Also with me is gail gifford she’s, the author of how to make your board dramatically more effective starting today. Published by emerson and church, she has, over thirty years experience working with non-profits she’s, a consultant, and has extensive experience working directly for non-profits as director of development and communications, a plan yusa director, development in marketing at save the bay and director of development at city year or i rhode island she’s on the board of several charities, including waterfire, providence and she joins us from providence, rhode island. Dale gifford, welcome to the show. Welcome, thank you, tony. I’m it’s such a pleasure to be here when they were for inviting me. I’m very glad you’re here, it’s my pleasure, you tweeted something very thoughtful, like an hour and a half or two hours ago that you were you can’t wait to be on the show, okay, that was very thoughtful, thanks. What’s ah, what is a good board? Upleaf a board that makes up organization that does great work in the world. That’s a good board. Okay, that where the non-profit does work, that really matters where the board is thoughtful and building an organization that’s worthy and trust worthy of support. And where the board members i really enjoy the work that they did that’s interesting. So the mission of the you believe the mission of the charity suggests whether it’s a good, effective, bored or not? I think the mission of the charity is central and fulfilling the mission of the charity is the highest aspiration of what? Makeup for a good and effective board. Okay, what good is a great board? Because i’ve got great people, it’s the organization isn’t really doing anything valuable, okay? And we’re gonna talk about some of those. Some of those important on dh hard questions to ask. Why do you see that? Boards are not so effective? Is they could be saying a little more than just they’re not doing what good boards do. See, you know, i think there are a lot of effective board or the shaft, right? So but think about what this board is that the bunch of volunteers teo being a boardmember isn’t theirjob working for that particular organization’s mission may not even be a particular expertise of theirs, and we asked them to do lots and lots of things, so we want them to be knowledgeable about that particular industry or cause that the organization is doing. We expect them to be knowledgeable about non-profit rules and regulations, we expect them to go out, be champions and advocates for the organization, we expect them to be good facilitators, we expect them to be deliberative people and strategic thinkers, and we want them to be fund-raising there’s a lot for a volunteer, the list goes on and on and on, right? So when you put that superhuman job description in front of people it’s not surprising that not every board is as effective as it could be boardmember czar are stewards, you make the point of the book, what they stewards ove yes, so that this concept of stewardship, which is taking care of things that you don’t know on behalf of someone else, is what boards are essentially so they are taking care of all those. Things that this organization wass kind of socially contract id to do, right. So it’s two to fulfill the mission to be trustworthy and responsible organization those things that the board needs to think about and that’s what they’re stewarding, and that promise really to the community that promise, exactly. And does that gets to where it was just it was on my lips. You heard the first one who who does this charity belong to write that the board is stewarding it for, right? So now we have with the social compact society says we allow these privileged organizations to exist that don’t pay taxes, that people can get a donation or, you know, in most case, who could get a donation, a tax deduction for donating to that gets used, volunteers, people, unpaid labor in their organization without violating labor laws, right, and then return we want something back, we want a better world for that, a better community, or better life, or some people or whatever that is so that’s where the promises right, the promises back to society and one of the first drops of aboard is, in fact, to figure out who exactly is it? That we’re holding this organization and trust for okay fremery organization is a little different that’s another one of the big questions and just we have a couple of minutes before a break. You really challenge boards and senior staff to ask some hard questions? Yes, as what are is what we’re doing really making a difference? Is it relevant? Is it relevant? Doesn’t that that’s important? What if they say not so much, then they need to figure out whether they still need to exist as an organization or if they may be, should be doing better work and again, just a minute or so before break. How do you how do you assess whether your mission is relevant and we’re going to be a more time after the break? Of course, afraid to go over? How do you figure that out? Let teo really be smart and thoughtful about doing your homework on what is it that the community needs? You know what is happening out there, and the others have conversations with people and ultimately the community’s going to tell you if your still relevant, because if you’re not there not going to give to you, you’re not going to get support, so you need to be getting information from outside. This is matt, get outside, i think you make the point that book get outside the conference room, right? This is not an internal discussion, all right, are we relevant? Yeah, figure out who you need to talk to in your community, who you’re serving, talk to them, talk to the people who would be interested in the work you’re doing. Look at the data. I mean, all of those things are things that need to happen in the organization, and in some way, the board needs to facilitate that. Make sure that that’s happening. We’re going to take a break, and we’re going to get into some more detail about assessing the community’s needs and getting out and talking to the right people with gail gifford. And i hope i’ll be with you after this break. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. How’s your game. Want to improve your performance, focus and motivation than you need a spire athletic consulting stop second guessing yourself? Move your game to the next level. Bring back the fun of the sport, help your child build confidence and self esteem through sports. Contact dale it aspire, athletic, insulting for a free fifteen minute power session to get unstuck. 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Any non-profit radio ideo, i’m jonah helper from next-gen charity. And i’m tony martignetti from tony martin and non-profit radio and gail gifford is author of the book how to make your board dramatically more effective starting today. Gail, what are we, um, what are we going to do out in the community to find out what the community’s needs are? And, you know, i also find this interesting this could be for brand new charities, of course also this important questions for startup charities, i especially for start of charities, you probably you bump into many, as i do, where people just decide to start a charity, and then they they haven’t really done any of their homework and haven’t talked, they don’t even know that they’re whether there are other organizations that are doing exactly the same thing that they’re doing, and they might be able to save themselves the the burden of creating an organization if there’s one existing already that they can partner with right, maybe volunteer for or maybe develop a program for something like that exactly. But in terms of evaluating the community’s needs, say a little more about what those data points are. How do we figure out who to be talking to? Well, what? I’m working with a couple of organizations right now, you know, most of us think of it traditionally and strategic planning, but it doesn’t have to be limited to strategic planning, but it’s really great for board to come up with who’s, everybody in the community that we need to hear from him. And that would not like to talk to a boardmember in our organization. So it could be some of your partner agencies. You could go meet with another board of directors of the similar colleague you could set up. You know, i like to use the formal questionnaire and then go and talk to potential donors, talked to state agency people talk to the really smartest person in the community. Yeah, there are lots of people that we can think of your political officials, all of whom are really important people toe be talking, teo, and that it makes a big difference. Tab boardmember having conversations. I know your executive director’s having conversations with those people all the time and some of your program staff. But it changes the relationship for an organisation and it changes the the board’s thinking about the organization when they can go out and have those conversations as well. You didn’t hold a focus group focus group? Yes, in the in the office, right man, the officer and somebody else’s location again. It’s, great to get out of your doors. You recommend that the that if this if this is part of a strategic planning process and as you said, it doesn’t have to be that the strategic planning commitee could meet year round instead of just being on an ad hoc limited duration committee, right? Some organizations create strategic planning committees that that do go on and they they’re sort of the champions of the plan, right? So they’re constantly making rechecking the assumptions under what the strategic plan was created and also falling through and saying, are we doing this? You know, how is this influencing our work? Where are we going? And so asking those questions in the board way spent way too much time in our boards talking about what did we do last month with our finances? Are not that that’s? Not important, right? But we’ve lost sight of having the big conversations about the work that we do. Yeah, and these are the aziz. Said the earlier the challenging questions that you’re you’re insisting that charity’s asked, all right, of course. Now, if we convene the strategic planning commitee year round that’s going to be upsetting that people who were looking for something short term, i mean, i don’t like i only want to be on the committee for a year now you’re going to make a lifetime, but you can convene it year round, but it only has to meet once or twice, right? Okay, i mean, that doesn’t meeting every month as the strategic planning commitee once your plan is done might be a little excessive, and i wanna make a point that no, one of the things that board should do is really a that’s. How often do we need to meet? Do we really need to be here every month? That’s it doesn’t seem pretty frequent once a month. I’ve seen charities that meat that often doesn’t that doesn’t mean it. Could there be a call for that? I think it’s the norm for many and boards go through cycles or the work of boards goes through cycles, sometimes there’s, there is a lot of stuff happening that boards need to connect with, say, you know, you’re in between ceo, executive directors, so the organization and or you’re in some kind of a crisis or there’s some fast moving program changes in the wind or community changes that might need you to be together that frequently but many, but often that leads to cash we, you know, we really don’t have very much to talk about at the board meeting, so let’s get into stuff that’s just staff work sometimes i think metoo zoho often causes boards the medal yes function. And again, it’s different. No. One of the points i want to make is every board and every organization is different. And so each board has to determine what’s the right board what’s the right governance work that we need to be doing for this organization at this time looking forward. Okay. And how does the board know that it’s getting accurate information from the charity as it is convening in reviewing how can they be sure what they’re getting is correct? That’s a good question. Well, it’s one of yours in the book? Yeah, thank you very much. But i stole it from day one. Thanks for asking. It on the show, the i’m a big fan of the work of john and mirriam carver boards that make a difference and they used the course a couple of them criteria. One is you get a report, right? That’s the one you’re asking so some, you know, staff give a report that’s one way of of checking. But in order to know if that’s true, you either have to send hired somebody else or get somebody else to go in and check things for you. Which is what auditors do. So we’re familiar with that model or periodically, you got to go check them yourself. Okay? Point. Somebody do some kind of thought check. And hey, is this really happening? Did this really going on? Because it might not be right again getting outside the conference room. Right? Okay. How about assessing impact? I mean, part of the concerned about are we meeting? The community’s needs let’s. Assume we’ve identified them correctly. Is are we now presenting a solution for those for those needs? Are we creating impact? How do we measure that that’s? Very difficult. In some cases. Well, that is very difficult. But that’s a good conversation. So what? And and bring in the professionals. I mean, this is a partnership with your professional staff and with outsiders, but just raising the questions. How do we know what’s the right stuff to measure? It isn’t important conversation for the board to have, and not just because, well, mainly because we owe it to the community to make sure that were the work. And the resource is that we are receiving are being used well and wisely and working toward making a difference. But also those watchdogs out there that people who are following charity good start asking, right? And it might be that you don’t have all the data or you don’t have perfect measures, but if you don’t have any at all, you’re gonna get penalized for that. Yeah, yeah. Now, charity navigator only only measures how many’s it was five thousand. Haven’t they broadened? I think the seventy five hundred. Yeah. You have to be a fairly large organisation. Toe set and charity navigator. But but local thunders, they’re asking the question. How do you how do you know? Are you making a difference? How do you know you’re making a different local funders are an individual. Donors are asking this more and more. Yeah. Okay, so you need to have to have an answer on impact. Yeah, you need to do it. This is the right thing to do. And you need to do it because people are asking e-giving gail gifford is the author of how to make your board dramatically more effective starting today. And it’s published by emerson and church. And i love our listeners. And i want to say hello to our we have listeners in north carolina. Hello, north carolina. Great north carolina. My sons both went to college. They’re okay, where one at guilford college and green sarah and the other at warren wilson college in outside asheville. Oh, actually, today feel i’m dying to get to national gorgeous. I know, i know. Um, let’s say a little about recruiting the right board members. Now, if we’ve how can we be? Sure? Listen, you sound like you’re eating a chocolate chocolate souffle or something. That’s pretty good. Ah, rich topic for you recruiting boardmember zoho how do we go about it the right way? First and foremost, we need to sit down and have a conversation. What is that? That is the ideal board. What is this organization need? What kind of experiences? What kind of knowledge? What kind of thinkers? What kind of connections? What voices do we need at the table? Asking the right questions and coming up with a profile of what that ideal board looks like. And that’s not. Oh, we need a lawyer, it’s. Much that’s. Just going to say right, it’s much more than we need a c p a right. Exactly, it’s. Not that it’s g we really don’t know what these segments of the community are asking. Are we asking the right questions? How do we get this person to the table? Maybe i can give the example of our, um i was on the board of our state humanities council and at various times do-it-yourself one a big question that we were confronting wass what’s the role of no technology in discussions about the humanities, and we needed some expertise on the board even know what the right conversation wass so if you, you don’t have enough knowledge teau asked, and not that our staff wasn’t knowledgeable in that area that we wanted other voices, a cz well, do you know where you want to reach into new communities and get their perspective? And sometimes you don’t need that legal not the opinion, because i’m not one for putting your counsel on the board, but the lot of mines that can say, hey, this is an area that we might want to pay a little more attention to our need to be thinking about here, you know, finance people who can really think strategically about the financial future of the organization and make sure that that conversation happens in your board and once we’ve recruited the right board members, then we need to be the board needs to be following their own rules about how they operate, right? Yeah, they’re by-laws i i want to go back a little bit more to recruit, but teo, say one of the things that, after you’ve come up with that ideal profile, you need to start making a list, right? Like called the shopping list for the board, who’s everyone in the community that could potentially be a boardmember that fills this role that cares about our issues and that that’s something that boards can keep building on forever. And i’m a big fan of governance or board development committee’s, because i think that we need a little human resource department for the board of directors and that’s what that committee’s purpose is so it’s to make sure we have the right board and to make sure that the board members who are there have the tools that they need to participate well, that relationships are built between people, all of those things. So i like to think governance committee develop for development committee, the human resource department for the board, okay? And when you’re paying attention to that it’s, more likely that you’re going tohave ah, better functioning board of directors, okay, and a little bit more about the functioning, and then we want to spend some time talking about the ceo also, but you mentioned the by-laws that’s, the rules that the board is supposed to operate by, right, right? You need to pay attention to what they are because, you know, we think a lot of organizations think it doesn’t matter, but i know organizations they mentioned in the book that have been sued for actions that they’ve taken and the judge is ultimately went backto, say, one of the by-laws on whether those oh, so whether those actions were permitted by the by-laws whether the bored was, um, organized according to the rules of the by-laws with valid being their right to have a quorum, where the people who were elected that they have the authority to make that kind of decision, those questions, and if you’re not, then you can always but if you’re operating properly on deficient lee, but outside the by-laws is just you can amend the by-laws right to comport with reality, right? The by-laws should be adaptive to the structure that you need for your organization at the time, but don’t jump in and start doing things like we can never get a quorum for meeting so let’s lower the quorum you need todo the problem about why is it that we never get a quorum for meetings before you start making little fixes that don’t go to the court? How does the board make sure that the organization has the right ceo? You have, ah, number of good, uh, ideas about ceo effectiveness, right? And what i say, and sometimes when organizations they’re stalled out, probably that leadership somewhere isn’t the right one for what you need at this point in time. So getting the right person to begin with being really clear about what type of leadership you need in your organization again, you know what? Qualities of leadership, what expertise is the person? A connector into the community? Can they bring? Resource is in, do they? Are they an implementer? Are they make things happen? Kind of person right there. Just a sinker. Yeah. So. And clearly doing a big search, casting a big net, having lots of conversations and checking references. Okay, that part that’s also do. What did they do before. Okay, what’s past past history show straight about them. And then the other is reviewing the one that you have right and asking all those same questions. Because as our organization’s change and grow and develop gnarnia for leadership changes too. And which brings me to another thing that i think it’s just the really important requirement of being an effective board way have just about a minute and i’ll just say it. Courage boards need to be courageous. Board members need to have courage because there’s a lot of tough decisions and a lot of difficult questions to ask. No one tells us that we need to be crazy. Effective. Quite a coincidence. I just pin something on one of my pinterest boards is women leading non-profits and i just yesterday pinned a video where the woman who’s in the name of the organization. Vital voices? Yes. I think it’s a least nelson and she’s have a short clip of her saying courage is not eyes not working without fear. It’s having fear and transcending it and proceeding despite your fear. Yeah, great. Yeah, well, that’s the least nelson and vital voices, but more important, gail gifford is the author of how to make your boardroom attic more effective, starting today, published by emerson and church gifford, thanks so much for being on the show. Thank you so much, and board members out there, keep doing great work. We need them to you. Right now. We take him right now, we take a break, but i want to give a shout to california. We have listeners in california, love, love, california, love those who love the listeners. 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back time now for tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the our very excited made people say they get excited about something, but usually there they say like, oh, i’m very excited to be here, but i am very excited that non-profit radios one hundred show is coming up in two weeks. It’s friday, july thirteenth, one hundred show and it’s devoted to social media and i’m opening it up. You are asking the questions my guest is going to be amy sample ward she’s, an officer at n ten, the non-profit technology network, and she’s, also a blogger and contributor to stanford social innovation review at stanford university, and we’re going to take your social media questions. We need the questions in advance so anything social media related, you know, we’ve talked a lot about social media, scott koegler especially, but others also. 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Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve with the marriott marquis in times square, new york city, hosted by the association of fund-raising professionals, greater new york city chapter. My guest now is paul clolery he is vice president and editorial director of npt publishing group, which includes non-profit times and magazine for clolery welcome. Thanks, tony. Glad to have you on the show. It’s quite a crowd here. I think we’re going to do a dunking booth next. Year thie only crowd is because non-profit technology news i’m sorry, because non-profit times is right next door, right? You’re the you’re the magnet with the we’re just in your pocket and people just throw things at me so it’s a lot easier. Well, because you reject their pictures routinely, right? But it, but in a nice way, i’m sure no doubt you are seeing some trends in buy-in events, they’re getting bigger than getting costlier say little about that. Well, what we’ve been seeing lately, not just in new york, but around the country, it seems like events are coming back strong this year and the ticket prices are going up. I know. In new york city, for example, a lot of organizations were trying to keep their events under a thousand dollars for the big gala. Now they’re routinely at a thousand or more, and we’re seeing that. And then just in the past four to five months, people are really starting tio realize that there’s the economy’s getting better, at least here in new york and for the people who would frequent these types of events, and we’re seeing also a lot of online bidding for extremely expensive items for help organisations, whether it be trips where there would be top gun type, that airplane battles. Yeah, really been exciting to watch and this is not only in new york, you said nationwide, nationwide, the prices are coming up and the people seem to be on the high into the doner scale looking for adventure now, not just to give money. Yeah, and thie you mentioned online auctions is that has that been trending for awhile? The auction’s moving from something live or silent to online? Or is that more recent, too? Well, it’s been building over the years, but now organizations are finding that they don’t need a gala to have an online auction so they can have it for months and months and lead up to a gala or let it go afterwards. And they’re even doing it online with people’s cell phones from the event so people don’t have to run back and forth to to the silent auction decide their name. Oh, my god! Seventy five bucks here’s. Another fifty? Yeah, they’re doing it on their cell phones and in some cases, that being prompted by bye, butlers come to the table and say oh, by the way, your bid, sir, it has been has been upped. Your bid? Oh, interesting. Yeah. It’s a organizations are finding lots of different ways to up to get the bidding going. That seems pretty sophisticated. Your online bid has been has been challenged. Would you like to? Would you like to reply? Exactly? Yeah. Okay. It’s. All right. Since you’re talking about technology, i have the current issue of non-profit times publication that you’re somewhat familiar with a little bit. Yeah, eighteen years is editor in chief. Future of technology donations is cloudy. What what’s happening around this around mobile given well technology in the cloud organisations are so used to going to gifts in-kind international or nair or some of the other past the rent cities where non-profit organizations i’m sorry for profit companies like microsoft or some of the other vendors in the industry would give product, and then it would pass through the charities. That would be a donation gift. In-kind well, the charges were used to getting the box you’d say, oh, i want microsoft office and they would send you the box right now. It’s all online so everything is moving to the cloud particularly, but when it comes to technology donations of software i miss i miss read your headline. I see going to the cloud it’s an ambiguous headline who wrote the headline it’s a u s citizen quote it’s in quotes it’s a cloud technologies in quotes icy future of technology so i mis read it to think that it was mobile give it was giving. Okay, so what? What khun charities be asking for now from microsoft, etcetera? Well, what we’re seeing that the product will stay the same difference is theirs now selling site licenses or licensing seats rather than giving away the software. Okay, and we’re seeing now is a lot more. We’ll have to be spent probably on the side of putting it together in your office dahna needing to have a specialists in house to craft the technology. So that works best for your organization. Nothing’s in a box anymore, everything is khun b handcrafted. Everything could be manipulated to what you needed to dio and there’s so many bells and whistles these days from various online vendors that the technology vendors that you khun craft a piece of software or or a piece of technology. Now you’re not getting the software to do anything that you need to do. And so and so some of that consulting is available. Oh, yeah, and that’s and that’s. Where it’s going to start getting expensive? Because the consultants are not free. Software was always free. The consultants were never free. Ok? And now when you download software and you now have to configure it to your systems and what haven’t worked with what you’re doing that’s now it’s going to start getting expensive? Uh, well, you see the company’s donating that consulting service as well? That oh, no. Oh, no. I’m not going that far. Okay, beneath that one let’s, see if i could read this one appropriately. Alright. I’ll just read it. Vegas draws youths looking for meaningful relationships. Meaningful relationships in vegas. He’s, not he’s, not by the hour relationships. Well, no. You know, i forgot to tell you to take that gross thing off. It just reflects that’s all it’s. Not gross, though. The name tags are beautiful, but they reflected our lights. What about vegas? Youthful relationship? Well, they’re hoping what happens in vegas doesn’t stay in vegas. Okay? The whole point is to bring kids into you a friendly setting, a familiar setting, someplace that’s a little bit exciting, and maybe they’ll bring some of the what they learned back into their communities. In this case, we’re talking about jewish community organizations where there have been seeing some waning in youth development and it’s going back to the communities and building the jewish community centers and whatnot, and what they’re trying to do is bring folks into an exciting place like vegas, hoping to build those friendships, helping to build those connections so that they can bring it back to their communities and helped to build the next generation of jewish communities. Okay, and you are you familiar at all? And if you’re not fine hyre with the trend generally around youth engagement, is it declining generally? York i know this was just about the jewish community organizations well, there’s been a whole man push for national service and then not and not just community in your community, but nationally and internationally. I think it’s next week either the next week or in the next two weeks, the national service conference is going to be out in chicago, make tens. Of thousands of people going to talk about how they could serve their communities better it’s a terrific conference put on by the points of light institute, the corporation for national community service, and they bring volunteers and volunteermatch ledgers in from all over the world actually to talk about how they could make those connections in their community. And it’s really starting to build national service is no longer a buzz where, but had we had we’ve been seeing youth engagement declining? Well, no, i mean it’s starting to build now, because building now it’s building now in the last five or six years, okay, you really start because kids had to do it for their college transcripts, but now you’re seeing more and more count kids getting engaged, you’re seeing the occupy wall street kids, you’re seeing a lot of youth engagement across the country and national service is really becoming important aspect of what kids do these days, okay, i’m going to switch to another publication that you’re acquainted with exempt magazine, i’ve seen it, and by the way, the non-profit times issue i was referring to was june first of this year. The exam. Magazine rights. Bright lights and big stars challenge. Charities are reaching out to celebrities. More you’re seeing more of this now, we’ll not. Only we’re seeing more of it, but so much of, unfortunately, big charity is being tied to celebrity, and that could have its good points and its bad consequences. If especially when charlie sheen goes to jelly down here, that could be a problem, and in years gone by, if you’re a celebrity went to jail, it was problem, maybe the’s days. It’s actually, my actually being enhancement to some of some of what they do. But the challenge there. There are a lot of challenges with working with celebrity, obviously the obvious ones of the arrests and then with the public relations nightmares, right? But also just getting them, too. To go to these events gets expensive. Oh, john doe is going to show up for free, but he’s got an entourage has gotta pay. You gotta pay for it. You got a paper? The first class flight. You’re gonna pay for the first class hotel and it can get very expensive. There were some celebrities who are salt of the earth human beings like george clooney. He will do anything you want if he signs on he’s there and he’s there for free. And that doesn’t mean a first class room. He’ll buy his own by his own flight and one of those terrific human beings. But there are others who are will demand have a very high list of demands? Okay, but what are some of the upsides of of the of the celebrity. What do they bring? Bringing it back, teo mobile giving and back teo special events. You can pack a room with lady gaga and the robin hood foundation here in new york city did that just the other day. Hey, i think they think the number was eighty seven million dollars that they raised in that holy count in one night. So they had. They had lady gaga at there, right at their gala, and they raised eighty seven billion dollars. Yeah, there’s, about eighty million. All right, round it. Well, this is the amazing thing about it was they had lady gaga and martha stewart in the same room and nobody got hurt. They play nice together, at least in public. In public. I see a column. This is a regular feature. Human resource is donordigital what what what are we seeing around dahna diversity in human resources? Did i scare you? Do you want to read it up first? No, no, no, no. What? I positive we look like, oh, yeah, you’ll realize that i’m working on seven of the ministers at one time not to have the print, but we’ve got five letters, so sometimes that their mental roll index that takes a while to go back and remember what we did was that that actually came out back in february. Oh, i’m already working on some temporary you worked out all right. Can you say anything about dahna differences? Non-profits are working very, very hard to move the donor base abroad in the dahna base for years and years of the backbone of the e-giving was done by white females in their seventies who would get a piece of mail and said give to the red cross or give to the salvation army. Or give to whomever. And they would dutifully write a check. Well, it’s, time for charities to start grinding that that base. And we’re seeing in communities of color, ethnic communities, more and more non-profits going into those communities and trying to reach in and trying to broaden their appeal to those communities. Because every poll that you’ve ever seen, when you ask somebody where they gave the answer is because you asked nobody’s asking in those communities for years and years, names nobody asking those korean. So now, charities are finding ways to ask within those communities. And they’re building out the diversity of their of their donor base, okay. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Have you ever considered consulting a road map when you feel you need help getting to your destination when the normal path seems blocked? A little help can come in handy when choosing an alternate route. Your natal chart is a map of your potentials. It addresses relationships, finance, business, health and, above all, creativity. 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What he’s, seeing there danger. There are a lot of people are coming across the border for medical help, medical care. So if human services organizations that just strapped along the border because people are coming across seeking help and just trying to get out of the out of the massacres that are going on just one hundred yards over the border, and then the legal issues of serving that population and treating that population well, the legal issues are not so much the treating of them if they show up at your doorstep, if they show up at the hospital, they will be treated, the question becomes then it becomes dicey about the immigration status and it is immigration get called and that’s a whole other bag of worms that they’re they’re dealing with right now, but right now they’re dealing with the money issues because they’re coming. People coming across the border need to be treated, they need to be fed, they need to be housed because there’s a war going on in their community and you can hear the gunshots at night. Dahna okay, what else? What else? Coming up, coming up, we have the power and influence top fifty coming up we fifteenth annual npt pound influence top fifty that’s the argast one issue okay, every way announced really fifty most influential people in the sector r i’m not on the list of incredibly and i know times are not yet there’s still, time doesn’t come out till august. Yes, but i’m the editor of publication. I don’t get on the list. Okay? So we’ve got we both got screwed and there’s way have a gala for the nominees in september and he’s gonna be an interesting list again this year are these are people working in charities or they philanthropists giving to charities or both or neither? They have to be executives working in the charity at the time that, well, the issue comes out, so they have to be working in the charity august one one that when the list comes out ok, and they’re nominated by their organizations know we have a kitchen cabinet. How does this work explain? We have we’ve been doing it for fifteen years, so about janu first week in january, second week in january, let it goes out to all the former winners, okay, who did we miss? Who do you think we should be putting on this list? Okay, if you’ve been on this before, you’re automatically re nominated, that doesn’t mean you’re going to get on the list, so we look at those lists we talked way have the contributing editors to the non-profit times who way? Talk to them about who they think we should be talking to. Then we get pool of about three to four hundred names on it over the time over a couple of months, we whittled it down to fifty one fifty two, okay? And then it gets to fifty and then we published on what criteria do you use? What you looking for? We’re looking for people who are moving the industry in a specific area and putting together programs that can be used as a bridge nationally, programs that can be implemented in other organisations people who have enough girth in the industry that they can get something done and move it and they can only they don’t have to have been in the second one hundred years if they come up with a new idea in the past couple of years, and they vaulted to the top of the list that we’ve had those people. For example, scott harrison, charity water was on the list, and they’ve only been around for a couple of years, right? Right? Okay, eighteen years as chief. What concerns you aboutthe charity community regulation arika e-giving getting more burdensome. Not only is it getting more burdensome, but it’s getting to the point where there is a blurring between charitable sector, federal government and local governments are trying to regulate the sector as well. I mean, everybody knows that there’s been a recession. There’s been financial crunch. All this property is tax exempt and so there are payments and little taxes going on throughout the country. But if you look at the way that congress and some state legislature’s looking at the terrible sector, it’s clear that they don’t understand it, and nobody is out there making it clear to them that know this is what the non-profit sector does, we don’t do that four this is the non profit sector there. There are some lines and walls between what we do and what the government does, what state government does, and i’m getting more and more concerned as days go by that the charitable sector is going to get even more regulated, be forced to do even more things that they’re not supposed to be doing well, if you look at california, they now be corporation. Well, this is from for-profit cos for-profit cos that want a special designation because they wanted to get within their communities? Yes. Oh, yeah. So if you want to do good, do good. I mean, look at newman’s own a terrific company they wanted. To give back to the community started a foundation. Profit from the company goes to the foundation when he gets put out. Is nothing wrong the way that’s not. Why do you need a special special designation? Newman’s own doesn’t want designation. Neo-sage killing him is an example of a sterling example. If you want to do good, make your money, give them foundation gave it to the community. Why do you need a special for-profit wolber intensity will be cooperation. You want that? Because that’s just the first step. Then the next step five years from now is going to be so. Maybe we should get some tax exemption on the property they have. Or maybe we should get some relief on the payroll taxes that were paying the people who work in our company because we do good to the extent that we’re doing good a proportional breaking taxes that are very interesting so that that’s that’s the real danger that i said, ok, we’re gonna watch that. Thank you. Well, clolery is vice president and editorial director of and petey publishing group, which includes as we talked about non-profit times and accept magazine eighteen years in the post paul’s a real pleasure. Thanks, darling. Thanks for being against this is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve, hosted by f greater new york city chapter and my thanks to the organizers of that convinced conference fund-raising day twenty twelve in new york city and also, of course, to gail gifford. Next week’s show number ninety nine, ninety nine automated accounting aaron schmidt is chief product officer at billhighway, and he thinks a lot about accounting so you don’t have to. He has ways to increase visibility, improve reporting, standardize accounting if you have more than one office automate and integrate with your bank. Also, online engagement toe action from fund-raising day twenty twelve again j frost, ceo of fund-raising info dot com talks with me about moving people from engagement online to giving online how to convert your social media friends into donors. 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