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James Wu, independent brand consultant; Kristyna Jones, co-founder & CEO of Brothers Empowered 2 Teach; and Rhiannon Tasker, donor communications manager for The Public Theater.
Also, Steve Rio, CEO of Briteweb.
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Miriam Brosseau, chief innovation officer for See3 Communications.
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Tony’s guests this week:
Terry Billie, assistant director of advancement at the Hudson River Museum
Wendy Nadel, executive director of Yonkers Partners in Education
Lisa Robb, executive director of the New York State Council on the Arts
Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now”
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Durney hello and welcome to the show, it’s tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent i’m your aptly named host. I’m excited to be back in the studio. It’s been a couple of weeks. Oh, do i hope you were with me last week? Of course i do. I’d be devastated to hear that you had missed last week’s show it was audit week, you’re hr audit. Karen bradunas is a human resources consultant. There may be things hiding in your hr closet that you need to bring out and dust off to avoid problems later on, we talked about your benefits plan immigration, paperwork and that’s not only for immigrant laborers and what to do if you get audited by federal or state regulators and your social media audit, scott koegler continued our discussion from the one hundred show on sites that help you assess how you’re doing in social media. Hoot suite marketsmart radiant six on a couple of others scott is the editor of non-profit technology news on our regular tech contributor this week, working with your small organization board what’s special about working with small shop boards we’ll talk about setting expectations recruiting, training fund-raising and assessing your boards capabilities my guests from fund-raising day this past june are terry billy from the hudson river museum, wendy no adele from yonkers, partners in education and lisa rob, executive director of the new york council on the arts also today, see the smart cr m system, constituent relationship management you’ve got constituents, employees, donors, volunteers, vendors, clients how do you manage your relationships with them and what’s the impact on your prospect management? Maria simple will be with me, she’s, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week charity corporatization reduction three i’ve talked about this before the blurring of the line between corporations and charities. I’ve got a couple of new data points they’re on my block and i’ll talk about them on tony’s, take two use non-profit radio the hashtag to join the conversation on twitter hashtag non-profit radio right now we take a break and when we return all intro my pre recorded interview from fund-raising day on working with your small organization board, stay with us e-giving didn’t think dick tooting good ending things you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Getting anything. Dahna cubine joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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Number ten, ten a m on talking alternative dot com. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Dahna hi there, and welcome back. I want to send some live listener love got listeners newport, north carolina. I miss you, north carolina. I own a home there, and i haven’t been there in a few months, but i’ll be going back next month. Missing north carolina st louis, missouri live listener love out to st louis right now. We have pre recorded interview from fund-raising day here in new york city this past june on working with your small organization board. Welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day conference two thousand twelve in new york city were in midtown manhattan at the marriott marquis hotel on the subject we’re talking about right now is working with your board. My guests are terry billy, assistant director of advancement at the hudson river museum. Wendy adele, executive director of yonkers partners in education, and lisa rob, executive director, the new york council on the arts ladies welcome. Thank you. Thank you. You have all three of you and thank you for taking time on a busy conference day right before lunch on we’re going to get youto lunch. Don’t worry, you won’t be late for lunch. Your subject is working with, uh, boards of small organizations. Lisa, why are boards of small organizations different than boards of larger organizations? Well, normally boards at large organizations that do a fair amount of fund-raising it’s a given and planning and very kind of instrumental involvement with the board, but less so on a volunteer basis or operational basis. Smaller organizations tend to have closer relationships to boards in terms of really what they’re doing for you and it’s also more difficult for them than at large organizations to get some of those things done. So you sometimes encounter at a good small, a good board in a small organization, tremendous work ethics and tremendous alignment with the mission because it is more of a struggle to get to some of the resource is that the larger organization board sort of inherently have. Wendy, why don’t you just set some context? Explain what youngers, partners and education is about what’s your work. We are a public education fund that supports the yonkers public school district for an independent organization that works to increase the number of students in yonkers who graduate from high school and completed postsecondary program. Okay, and now terry what’s, the specific mission of the hudson river museum, the hudson river museum is a history, science and art museum, providing opportunities to brought in the artistic and cultural experiences for people in the hudson river region. Okay, lisa wanted to explain what your work is with counsel in the arts. I’m the new york state counts on the arts is an agency of new york state government, and we work for the governor and receive our money through the budget. Process from the budget enacted every year by the governor and legislature. And we distribute thirty five million dollars of public funds to about fifteen hundred organizations, of which eighty percent have budgets of under seven hundred thousand small organizations. Tony let’s, dispel a myth that you have to be with just a few minutes ago. Boards of small organizations are not necessarily small board know they can range anywhere from thirty five to seventeen or fifteen, usually not less than that. And do we find the same type of diversity on a small organization board that will find in a larger organization board? Yes and no. Sometimes you may have a larger organization may have more corporate people that have connections to larger, mainstream corporations. Then you may have some people that have more connections to private foundations community board sent have a lot more community leaders, people who are connected politically, people who have businesses in the area on dh. Then, of course, you do have people that live in the area that may work for a corporation in a, you know, another capacity. And you also may have some folks that are government based. Okay, so you’ll have that local commitment, as lisa was describing, right? You have a little bit more local commitment. You’re your group may live in the area where your organization is, where a larger organization your your trustees may live elsewhere, right? So so so why don’t we stay with that, terry? What? How can we leverage that? That local nature of the board? Well, you’re trying to first off people become members of your board because they’re interested in what you do, and they want to help it serve your community, the community that they live in. So the urge to be part of something bigger than they are is one of the things that you want to work on. And so then you just need to work and find out what their capacities are, who their contacts are and see whether where their strengths are, too. Have them help you. Okay, twenty let’s start with sort of the chronology of board members life cycle, uh, recruitment. What? What are the challenges and that a small organization faces in recruiting successful boardmember we liked it really? Just talk from how we do it in my organization, but we typically try to identify specific areas of need that we have on our board and some of the gaps of skillsets connections, how people are connected on and we try teo, identify people who can fill those gaps on the board. Sure, and typically, the way we recruit them is through personal relationships. Typically somebody on our board might know of somebody or i might have met somebody, or in some cases, people have even approached us with an interest in the work that we d’oh. And now, since you are a local organization, you’re drawing from a smaller pool of potential talent. That’s correct, but you have the advantage of it being local and again, the commitment that at least talked about that’s. Correct? Okay, okay. Back-up lisa, special challenges of other special challenges around recruitment of boards for small charities that we should talk about. Well, i think one of the things we talked about in our workshop earlier, wass the wendy spoke to it. Well, that sort of a lining, the at a small local level. You may you want to make sure you know really what you want their role to be because they really is a commitment level. And interest level that is often not there. In the larger organizations. People may actually want to do tacit work for you. They may want to make real connections in real time for you, it’s, really not a so, you know, they’re not doing it for source social reasons. So i think, a lining that, you know, the individual in what they want to contribute, and then what the organization needs is even more interesting with smaller organizations. Because there’s more opportunity, i think, to really work with the boards one on one with real goals, that they want it, you know, complete with you, because you’re a small organization, you can actually do that. The goal isn’t a, you know, twenty five million dollars capital campaign, it’s a. You know of of two hundred fifty thousand dollars scholarship campaign, where numbers that become more achievable. So i think that is a challenge. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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The people of creation nation listened to norah simpson’s creation nation. Fridays at twelve noon eastern on talking alternative dot com. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business, why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. I’ve had a guest on not too long ago. Melanie schnoll begun. Her work is with very ultra high net worth clients in the bank. I apologize. Either j p morgan or morgan stanley. Apologies, melanie. But her her one of the point that she made was that very wealthy people shouldn’t be ignored by small organizations. Potential boardmember because it could be bigger. They could be bigger players on a smaller board, of course. Plus you want their expertise, but they could be very interested in a small charity. Good when we actually have a few board members who have been on major major boards, like in new york city. Um who i think have a more gratifying experience. Kind of working on the more local level, rolling up their sleeves, having a direct impact on a cause rather than sitting on a fancy board and going tio three or four meetings a year and about feeling expected to write a check and doing nothing. So i think, that’s, that that’s really the just the distinction, right? Same thing here. My organization has a wide variety of folks in both wealthy and not so wealthy. But people who were really involved and and the smaller organization that’s that’s the reason why they become a member of the of the of the board is to get involved because they have a passion. So, terry, since fund-raising is so important for board members, how do we set the appropriate level of e-giving four boards at small organizations what’s your place there? Some places just give one level of giving for everyone saying, okay, everyone needs to give five thousand dollars or three thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars or whatever it is, but it has to relate to the size of the board’s budget. So for example, my organization does not have a specific geever get, but we expect everyone to participate in the annual fund everyone to give to the gala in some way, shape or form and everyone to give an additional gift of some sort. So you may have some folks that can give twenty five thousand dollars to the gala and then ten thousand to the annual fund and then an additional gift from their private foundation and then other people will, through their company or through there, and a combination of company and the personal money. Give five thousand to the gala, you know, one thousand to the annual fund and, you know, some other money, so it has to be a willingness to accept so it’s a willingness to accept what they khun dio right? Because it’s their capacity so it’s about having a conversation with the boardmember when they’re coming on to understand, to have them understand that there is a responsibility to see support the organization, and then to talk about what level that they’re comfortable giving it. So is that how you assess their capacity? And you’re just really you need to have a conversation what they’re comfortable with, right? Well, i mean, you’ve done the research, you’ve done the research before you brought him in as a trustee to kind of know what they’re pass it e issue done the the prospect research to say, ok, well, this person, you know, has given here there and what have you so you kind of have an idea of what they’re financial level is so then it’s a matter of having a careful conversation with them too say, you know, what is it that you feel comfortable with? And it is, of course. It’s important to set those expectations at the recruitment stage, right. Exactly together. Normally written down. I mean, this is not it’s not uncommon to have written documents that say your contribution will be two hundred fifty dollars. You know that that’s? Not an uncommon. Okay, where you’ll be expected to go to an event or you’ll be expected to cultivate whatever. It’s not uncommon to have those things even written down. It’s. Not like these air secret or uncomfortable conversations. You know, they’re just that’s just part of the business relationship. Most bored people understand they will be a set of contributions they have to make some of which include financial time. Whatever would you would you go so far as to recommend that they be a document that the boardmember signs? Yes. In most cases, there is a is a a a a board agreement. Okay, because liability means you normal. Ok, wendy, partners in education, we don’t have a written agreement, but we haven’t explicit verbal commitment that in most cases has been honored without a problem. Okay, it is not in a contract. All right. How about communications with with a small organization board is that? Is it any i’m guessing easier because most of the people are local? Terry, go ahead. Well, we my ceo communicates with the board on a regular basis. Individually, we have meetings every month, so every other, every was every other know every other month is an executive board meeting. And every other month on the other side is our full board meeting. And then we do not have a board meeting in august. So there’s that then there’s also committee. So we have committees, there’s, a finance committee and development committee, a program committee and nomine nominating committee. And so they usually meet every other month or every two months, three months or something like that. And then we all like i communicate with staff with the board members that i’m working with for a specific project or the, you know, different staff would work directly with the boardmember so it’s, more informal words again, a larger organization with larger, more high level board members, you may not have as much communication access access to them and communication through all your staff with them. It may just be a point to point from your ceo to the board or maybe your ceo, your cfo and your development person, the only people that talk to your board when they were going to say something on communicating for us. I’ve really have kind of individual relationships that the board members. And for the most part, i’d say seventy five percent of them. I have. I’m in communication with on a very regular basis, and you’re the executive director. S, right. Ok, which is, i guess. They’re more accessible to the charity. Also, the board members make themselves more accessible than a larger organization might find. Well, i find ways email, and i mean, i think communication is really easy, you know, whether wherever you live, you could just shoot and email and get a response, but because the board’s pretty active everybody’s working on something so there’s always i mean, it’s not the communication is not for the purpose. So much of updating as it is to kind of do the work, and we work together as you know, collaboratively on you, no specific issues and projects that puts me into direct communication with the board members on a fairly regular basis. So what about switching topics? Labbate hyre assessing the capacity of your board in different capability, different areas, maybe it’s fund-raising maybe it’s love assessing whether you have gaps in expertise? What what’s important? I think, wendy, we’ve all talked about nominating committee’s and what we do, we’re in all the organizations i’ve worked for is the nominating committee is one of the most important committees on any board or the nominating people, and we we do it very almost like database oriented. You know, here the five or six strands of talent that we need, you know, social talent, business, talent, political talent, you know what, marketing, whatever it is, you know, here’s the slots where that is filled now, here’s, what? We’re going to have gaps, we spend a lot of time looking at the term limits, and when people are coming up for renewal too, you know, because gaps will then because you really want to call today, you know, minimally, a year in advance, you want to start your cultivation efforts because you make no assumptions and and also things come up for people, you know, they were interested last year, but this year someone is ill in their family, they’ve gotten a promotion, they’re moving, etcetera, so the nominating committee is very important and to be very strategic about on the goals. I mean, you could have a goal that you have celebrities that’s fine, but, you know, you have to just make sure it’s all you’ve gotten what’s it called a pipeline, you know? So you’re constantly putting names into that pipeline, and your board is very active in that process. Well, they are on their on the nominee they are, the nominating committee rarely includes people from staff in anything other than, like a, you know, did that’s really very much the work of a board there also engaging the full board. Oh, christ, as they identify needs. Oh, you know that it’s talked about usually nominating and issues of bored recruitment are are usually part of certain board meetings. You know, it’ll come up as an agenda item and then there’s the nominating committee, which has, like, you were saying this most of the time, i talked to our board members when i was at pelham art center because they were working board. Wendy so a lot of the communication had to do a task oriented project management, things you were doing together, military. Anything you want to know about assessing the capacity of the board. Okay, what about board training? Any any differences in when a new boardmember comes on any differences that you’ve identified you, emmanuelle for smaller organizations that okay, please go ahead. We have aboard manual that we’ve been evolving our organization’s not quite five years old yet sweeping, evolving that and new board members that come on, get an orientation. They are given emmanuel. And each year we, you know, have ah, two three hour orientation for our new members and that’s how we train them. And there is no big formal training program but it’s more of an orientation to the organization. Ok? And most of them have been to something that we, you know, most of them know us and not where they joined the board. Someone in the other workshop had an interesting idea. She spoke about on their board. They actually had, like, a, you know, in high school or college, the key club where you came in new and someone was aligned to you. They had a senior boardmember each new boardmember that came on, there was a relationship. They were the mentor to that new boardmember i thought that was a really good idea. I thought that was a great idea. What we do is we have a retreat every year once a year. It’s ah, saturday afternoon. And so we are doing both role playing or discussions talking about topics that are of interest, reviewing our strategic plan. So last year at our board retreat, we went through some role playing in how tio make an ask good. Okay, excellent. That kind of leads me to something interesting. I think i hope hyre what about board members who aren’t comfortable asking directly, but maybe can be engaged in other activities around fund-raising why did you continue, terry? Well, some people are very they they feel uncomfortable asking their friends, their family or going to to even business colleagues to set up a meeting for something. Um, and so you need to find different ways for them to to support whether they can host a party of their friends at their home. We’ve done that. Where then you have your museum staff and their friends. They’re so the museum staff could do the cultivation because we’re that’s what we do. S o or you can have them come with you on a site, is it with a funder or a lunch? And they just need to be the intro person and the ask and the program description and all of that comes from the staff people, so they are observing their participating in some way, but they’re also they’re shadowing. They’re learning through it by going through this, you know, site visit or you? Know, observing the ask at a cocktail party or what have you do you find that they become the ones who are reluctant in the beginning? Tio actually ask become more comfortable. Have you seen that? Well, a little bit, yeah, i mean that’s the goal and sometimes it may take a little longer depends on everyone’s personalities different and some people are more comfortable in the limelight and others are not. So you have to kind of work with what they’re willing to do, what their comfort level is and you can’t force someone into something that i want dio that will be a disaster. Forget wendy’s. I don’t think i think something terry set is is really key, and that is, you know, in addition to asking people for money equally is important is is just opening up doors, making introductions and that’s i mean, even for people that don’t like to ask for money making introductions is really important because, you know, particularly if you really believe in the mission of the organization, the organization khun sell itself that’s themselves, that pipeline that lisa mention constantly introducing new people. I know we have a boardmember and you know, one of things i like to do is just kind of focus when i have my board members do. And we have one boardmember who has some really key foundation contacts and his what i asked him to do every years you get me into two foundations and that’s it that’s it that’s your job and that’s huge. That could be hundreds of thousands of dollars. So anything you want and what i do think that friendraising and fund-raising are all part of that same resource development. And as long as you can make sure there’s enough prongs and what you think of resource development there’s no, boardmember that can’t help you if we have to leave it there, ladies. Thank you very much, wendy. Tell you. Thank you. Lisa. Rob is executive director of the new york council on the arts. Wendy liddell. Adele is executive director of yonkers partners and education. And terry billy is assistant director for advancement at the hudson river museum. Ladies, thank you very much. Thank you. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve at the marriott marquis in midtown manhattan. My thanks to the three ladies. Some live listener love out tio st louis, missouri, hello, jersey city, new jersey. Welcome back. My dad was born there, i told you, used to live on mcadoo of reston, virginia. Hello, live listener love, and then we go further east vietnam. Welcome. I wish i knew the city. I’m sorry, our software doesn’t tell us what city. Right now we take a break, and when we returned tony’s, take two, and then maria simple will join me to see the smart cr m system. So i hope you stay with me. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Joined the metaphysical center of new jersey and the association for hyre. Awareness for two exciting events this fall live just minutes from new york city. 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You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. That live listener loved that i sent to vietnam is joined by love going out to korea, and if you’re listening, if in a foreign country i’d love for you. Teo, tell us what city you’re in because our software doesn’t tell us so you could tell me on the linked in group or the facebook page or tweet me. Let me know what cities you’re in vietnam and korea tony’s take to roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. My block this week is charity corporatization re ducks three i’ve blocked this before, as you can tell from the title, and i’m still concerned about blurring lines between charities and corporations. More cities, for instance, are collecting what they call pilots payments in lieu of taxes from charities or they’re considering getting these payments from charities pittsburgh in memphis for most recently and there’s in my block there’s a link to a chronicle of philanthropy article talks about pittsburgh and memphis and a number of other cities that are either collecting those or looking at it. Also, we have corporations starting to look like charity’s, taking some in some of those charity attributes there’s the b corp in california. That’s ah, a form of organisation be corp. For an organization that gives some public benefit as well as having a profit motive. And in a lot of states there are low profit, limited liability corporations also called l three c’s on dh does i put this together with some other data points and just concerns me that the charity start to look like corporations and start getting treated like corporations in terms of those taxes. On that corporations start to look like charities. It’s on my block. The name of the post is charity corporatization re ducks three. My block is tony martignetti dot com. And that is tony’s take two for friday, the tenth of august thirty fourth show of the year. Joining me now, as she does once a month, is maria simple. Maria is the prospect finder she’s, an experienced trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now with an exclamation mark at the end. And she is at maria simple a si m pl e on twitter. Maria, welcome back. Hi there, tony. How are you today? I’m terrific. Very well, good to have you back. Thank you. We’re talking today about c r m constituent relationship management. Why is this important? Well, you know, it’s very important for non-profits to track relationships that they have especially fund-raising purposes, in my opinion, you know, i’m talking more about fund-raising side there as a prospect researcher that you want to be able to see, you know, where our people interconnected you want to be ableto have a certain data point certainly noted in a system that’s going to be able to capture the relevant points of information that are important for your organization and a broader cr m really goes beyond even the donor database. It would be able to track relationships that you have with volunteers with perhaps people that are coming in, uh, to use your organization’s services on a daily basis so it can give you a really broad picture. And, you know, i any any time you can have any type of a tool that shows sort of relationship management for a mapping tool, you know, i’m all for that, okay? And you and i have talked about too, that prospects don’t only come from donors and fund-raising quote fund-raising prospects. But could be employees or vendor’s vendors to the organization or consultants. Right? Right, right. So these are all the types of relationships that you can manage in a system, you know, ideally, you know, a picture scenario where you are a ah non-profit executive at a small commit sides non-profit and you get a phone call and somebody says, you know, hi, this is, you know, tony martignetti i’m looking to talk to you a little bit more and expand on our last conversation. If it’s me calling, you probably should hang up, but it’s using some other example? Yes. You know, you would want to be able to instantly trying to recall well, gee, what? Tony and i last talk about what were the talking points? You know what? What was his area of interest? Right? So ideally, if you’re, you know, at your computer, will you be able to just, you know, put tony’s name in there and pull up some sort of a data sheet on tony said that you’d be able to track what what were our last conversations? And, of course, you know, this is really important. There’s a lot of turnover right at non-profits so, you know, you want to be able to have that that that long term relationship tracked a donor doesn’t care, right? They don’t care that there’s while they developed relationships with key personnel at the non-profit but in terms of the overall longevity and their commitment to that non-profit organization, whomever that executive director development director is, um, he’s probably not as important as the overarching mission and trying to make sure that that there’s that continuity that people will continue to understand what that donor’s intent is what donors specific interest are. Yeah, it becomes quite embarrassing to say, you know, someone who’s new in the position, you know? I don’t i don’t really know what what conversations were before me, you know, it all just needs to be documented. You’re right for the institutional knowledge and continuity, yeah, absolutely, really critical and donorsearch budget organizations are really just using some sort of a spreadsheet right now to manage this, you know, there are systems out there that are fabulous, and they really range in price. Do you want me to talk about a particular guide that can that can help them kind of identify this. And i can actually put some information on on your paige is well about it. Yeah, in just a moment. Let me just get to one of the survey questions that we had about what? What systems people are using now to manage constituent data. Fifty percent of using razor’s edge. And about seventeen percent are using donor perfect and about a third of using other other software systems. But nobody said one of the choices was it’s on paper or in our heads. And so, thankfully, nobody nobody said that. And nobody said excel spreadsheets. Good thing. So all right, so people are past the index cards, at least. Listeners. Well, this is sophisticated audience, so you’re not going to get your average executive director ceo fundraiser listening to this is a sophisticated show, so the sample is skewed. So we’ll presume that there are some who would say it’s on paper in our heads, but they’re not our listeners. They could be were welcomed them, because then after today’s show, they could choose a different answer. Find value. This’s a that’s. Right? Of course. S oh, please. Why don’t you, uh you have an idea if we had just a couple minutes before break, you have ah, a place where people can sort of compare software, is that what you have? Yeah, absolutely. June twenty eleven idealware dot org’s, uh, terrific website for all types of things having to do with technologies for non-profits they came out with a free downloadable guide that’s called the consumer’s guide to low cost donor-centric and they reviewed lots of systems, and then they go into in depth and review sort of their top ten systems and across all kinds of different, uh, data points, you know, they’re reviewing them, of course, for price. And by the way, all assistance they reviewed technically felling under the four thousand dollars range. Okay, so these are not going to be like razors edge is not going to included, right? Razor’s edge is a very high entry cost. Yeah, so i thought, well, with, you know, your your listener audience of the smaller to midsize non-profit that some of their recommendations might actually fit very well for the non-profits they’re looking at, you know, how well can you manage the donor information? The reporting, tracking events, some of the systems khun do that? Well, yeah, because event event attendees that’s another constituency, right? That’s, right? They might attend an event, but they’re not. They’re not donors in the strict out of pocket sense without any other, any participation. So event attendees another important constituency that’s, right? And they are also some of the systems will do male merging very well. Others are not as great at it. Email. How well can the system email out or play? Well with an outside system, for example, i know that there are certain databases that played very well with donorsearch software, like tapestry in constant contact or constant contact in sales force. Dot com they are two systems that integrate very well together. So integration actually is another data point that they looked at. So, you know, i recommend everybody take a look at that particular guide because it’s free it’s downloadable um and idealware is actually having ah, replay on their webinar that they have on that particular topic as well. And i happen to have received an email. Just tweak that they’re having a sale on their recorded webinars. So for this month, only august it appears that they are nine dollars to download the past recorded webinar. Okay, but and the the survey sounds like sort of a consumer reports of of c r e m now does idealware this is important to know his idealware create today of their own software package or now that they’re not in that business there just a value. They’re reviewing it, right? They will value you don’t. Okay, so we’ll put the idealware dot com. But what? What we put oh, dot org’s. Thank you. But why don’t we put the link to the this document? Go on the facebook page and in the linked in group? Sure, i can do that. Okay. Thank you, maria. You’re always very good. And maria is maria doesn’t only say she’s going to do it actually doesn’t. So the show ends at two p m eastern. I would expect now putting round spot. No, but i’ll just say very quickly. Maria will have the stuff up. I’ll just leave it there. She always does. You always. You always have been. Um okay. What? You had a conversation with a ceo of, of of of a newer, newer offering in this field right recently? Well, actually. That’s what prompted me to kind of take a look at their whole cr m area? There’s there’s a very new, interesting software out there. And it’s called unify o you and i f y o dot com. And by the way, it works best on google chrome. So i know that was one of the questions that i made sure that we are listeners answering on since you’re right, but since you just mentioned it, let sze get that question out. It was which internet browser or using it work fifty percent explorer. Fifty percent are chrome, and then a handful of people, i guess, have to and the about a third of those said fire fox so a third of the yeah, about a third of the half what the hell am i talking? About? Fifty percent said explorer, fifty percent said chrome and about seventeen percent said firefox. So obviously summer using multiple systems. That’s what i was trying to convey in the past minute and a half. Okay, so way. Just have a minute before break. So say a little bit more and then we’ll come back. Okay? Sure. So what it is is a technically they call it a browser extension, and if you go to their website, they have a really cool little video. And i can post, uh, on your page is, well, a link to a specific video that talks about how confused for prospect research and that’s what really caught my attention, but basically what they say is that it bridges the gap between you and your c r m so and we’ll give you a little bit more information on that. But it really completes your customer profiles toe all of your cloud applications, so it integrates with several systems already sales force dot com high rise, which is another cr m system that i’m actually not as familiar with, um, and so, since sales force dotcom does have a non-profit maria, we have to take a break hold. That thought you were just saying, since salesforce dot com does have a non-profit when we return, we’ll let you finish that sentence. Stay with us. Talking. Hi, this is nancy taito from speaks been radio speaks been radio is an exploration of the world of communication, how it happens in how to make it better, because the quality of your communication has a direct impact on the quality of your life. Tune in monday’s at two pm on talking alternative dot com, where i’ll be interviewing experts from business, academia, the arts and new thought join me mondays at two p m and get all your communications questions answered on speaks been radio. 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Yeah, i believe it is so what’s kind of cool about it is, you know, it had caught my attention was the fact that if i’m assuming now that the sales force dot com tool that non-profits air using would indeed integrate with unify oh, so if we’ve got any sales forthe users out there, i’d love some feedback. You know, through my page or tony’s page to see if it’s working well for you, but basically once you load this unify o icon up into your tool bar so let’s say then you are looking at somebody’s profile in sales force dot com you can click on the little unify. Oh, uh, icon and it will show you other other interactions that have happened with that person, so if that person has been tweeting about your organization or any email communications that have happened, you can manually put in specific notes about a person, so i’m thinking for a really small to midsize non-profit this could be a very interesting solution. Now, this is brand new. Tony okay, yeah, this is brand new, this is you launched may twenty twelve um, i had an opportunity to skype twice with the ceo of this company in recent weeks so i could get a better handle on understanding it and they love feedback. So, maria, it sze pulling in the whole web when you when you identify somebody that you’re you’re interested in? Yeah, well, it integrates best with certain platforms, but yeah, i mean, if you’re browsing and google chrome, so i was right, it has to be it only works in google chrome so far right far only google chrome, but they are looking to develop it for the other platforms as well. And, you know, i just think, it’s something really need to take a look at if if any of our listeners have an opportunity to do so and provide some feedback, they hadn’t created this. For the not non-profit sector originally, so to know that there could be this applique ability because you can have teams of people so let’s say you’ve got the executive director, the development director, maybe a program director and maybe a couple of board members be considered a team. All this data can be shared. So if you and i are on a team, tony and i want to try and figure out what? When were the last communications, it would pull an information about your last email communications okay, and are you testing this unify? Oh, maria, you know, i’ve been playing around with it a little bit, but i don’t have sales force dot com loaded here so that’s, why? I’d love to know somebody who does have it to see how that how, how that could integrate but it pulled in lengthen dad a twitter feed and i think it’s gonna have a lot of applicability it’s free right now, and it won’t stay free forever, so there will be a fee attached to this at some point. But i’ve been told by the ceo they’re going to keep it very affordable for the nonprofit sector. More broadly, when you’re looking at your your cr m software it’s important to know what, what your goals are from your from your system. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, you know, is it’s a system that is only going to be turning out donorsearch ports is this system, as i mentioned earlier, that might have to do mail merges and email marketing? Um, is this a system that is going to be able to help you track, um, interactions, right with those air critical for prospect freak prospect research? Oh, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you think about all the points on the continuum on the development cycle. So you’ve got the prospect identification and research think about how will it play into cultivation? Solicitation the thank you, the follow-up and the stewardship i c c r m being invaluable not only for me, it’s, a prospect researcher, but certainly in stewarding donor forward. So it should have really flexibility to be able to provide additional notes. I love cloud based systems personally and don’t put me in george in jail. Now, i think the audience knows club. I think scott and i have talked about cloudgood other other other guests have, okay? I think people should know the cloud by now, i’m clear to talk. Wait, we just have about a minute and a half, though. Okay? So any cloud based system, for example, will enable any board members that you give access to the system, say they are very active and cultivating and solicited, soliciting people and meeting with people outside the office. Then they can certainly go ahead and type in notes about those particular meetings. And that again for that continuity is very, very important. Maria simple is the prospect finder. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now. And her website is the prospect finder dot com maria. Such a pleasure. Thanks very much. Thanks. Always tony on dh something occurred to me as i was talking to maria, you know, wanna make sure that i’m not sounding hypocritical because i blogged and talked about on tony’s take two. My concern about charities being too much like corporations. And now here we are talking about with marie about salesforce, dot com and unify. Oh, a system that wasn’t developed for charities was developed for companies. I do think there are good practices, great practices. In the in the for-profit corporation sector that charity’s can learn from and vice versa. I think corporations could soften themselves in some ways and learn a lot from charities. It’s the it’s, the so learning from each other, that’s to me, that’s distinct from starting to, um b organized by be regulated by by the other by state and federal overseers as one that you’re really not as as as b corp to start to look like r l three sees the limit for-profit limited liability corporations, i think start toe look at so that’s the start to look like charities that’s the distinction for me between what maria and i were talking about when i blogged about this week my thanks, tio terry, billy, wendy nadella, lisa, rob, of course, and the organizer’s of fund-raising day twenty twelve as well as maria next week grow your grassroots. Michael o’brien is a consultant and a grassroots organizer. Why this might be good for your organization and how do you get started? We’re talking about bringing new people to your cause and how to keep them excited about your work through the grassroots. Also, scott koegler returns. 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Jennifer Herring, president & CEO of The Maritime Aquarium at Norwalk.
Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and
author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now.”
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Zoho hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio for friday, june fifteenth twenty twelve we’re talking about big ideas, big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent of your aptly named host it’s good to be back in the studio have been away for a couple of weeks. Last week i was at fund-raising day got about ten interviews for the show, one of which we’re goingto listen to very shortly today, but great fun meeting everybody on the exhibit floor got some sponsorship enquiries good to see everybody there about fifteen hundred people at the conference and good busy booth we had on the exhibit floor this week it is motivate your board for major e-giving and revisiting your twenty twelve prospect plan from last week’s fund-raising day conference. Jennifer herring has advice on motivating, working with and supporting your board to help them step up to their fund-raising duties she’s president and ceo of the maritime aquarium at norwalk in connecticut and also revisiting your twenty twelve prospect plan. Maria simple, our prospect research contributor and the prospect finder those a midyear checkin of her new year’s ideas on your twenty twelve prospect plan that was back. On our january sixth show have you hosted those cultivation events that she recommended and used them as prospect research tools? Do you have your free google lorts set up? We’ll recap a few of those ideas from january and between the guests. Antony’s take two nearly one thousand new york city charities lose their tax exemption. I’ll explain what happened to their exempt status and that’s not limited to new york. You can use the hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation on twitter. Andi i very much hope that you were with me last week when it was got women donors from last year’s fund-raising conference and also maria semple was on last week sharing strategies for using linked in. Right now we take a break, and when we return, i’ll have the first of my interviews from fund-raising day this year. Stay with me. They couldn’t do anything, including getting ding, ding, ding ding. You’re listening to the talking alternative network, waiting to get you thinking. E-giving cubine money, time, happiness, success, where’s, your breakthrough join me, nora simpson, as i bring you real world tools for combining financial smarts with spiritual purpose. As a consultant to ceos, i’ve helped produce clear, measurable financial results while expanding integrity, passion and joy share my journey as we apply the science of achievement and the art of fulfillment to create breakthroughs for people across the world. The people of creation nation listened to norah simpson’s creation nation fridays at twelve noon eastern on talking alternative dot com oppcoll are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three the conscious consultant helping conscious people be better business people. Dahna you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Welcome back, it’s time to motivate your board for major giving. This is the first of my interviews from the fund-raising day conference hosted by association friendraising professionals new york city chapter just last friday. So this is the first of the ten that i got years. Motivate your board for major e-giving with jennifer herring, welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve, we’re in the heart of new york city in times square at the marriott marquis. My guest right now is jennifer herring. Jennifer is president and ceo of the maritime aquarium at norwalk, and her topic is major gifts two point oh, straight talk for your board, jennifer. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much, tony. I’m glad to have you on dh. Thank you for taking time in a busy conference day. A pleasure. Why don’t you acquaint listeners with the work of the maritime? Aquarius. Ah, the maritime aquarium is a regional aquarium located in fairfield county, connecticut, that serves primarily connecticut in westchester. But the whole tri state region it’s focused on long island sound. In fact, it’s, the only aquarium focused on long island sound our mission is to inspire people of all ages to appreciate long island sound and protect it for future generations. We have a wonderful collection of long island sound animals and a lot of ability to touch and directly experience animals. It’s a very intimate aquarium. Okay, we also have a very large education program that reaches out primarily to underserved students around the tri state area. And how long have you been there? I’ve been there for going on eight years now as the ceo. Okay, let’s, get into your seminar topic. Major gifts two point oh, straight talk for your board. You’re encouraging gift officers to be change agents around board fund-raising way. We’ll have plenty of time for detail, but generally what’s what’s the problem that you see, i think that the challenge with boards is to keep them engaged. Getting them on the board is on ly step one all fund-raising especially major gifts. Fund-raising is about personal relationships. And just like any friendship, personal relationship needs to be cultivated and maintained on a continuous basis so you can get getting people on the board is the first challenge and talk a little bit. We want we want talk? A little about recruitment will get sacked, right? But once they’re on the board keeping them engaged, challenging them with meaningful ways to be connected with your organization, it’s an ongoing challenge and the strategy behind that is something that the development officers can and should play a significant role in. Okay, let’s, let’s talk a little about the recruitment of board members. How do we make plane? What the fund-raising expectations are at the recruitment stage? I’ve done that for many, many years, no there’s always a conversation, you know, once you’ve i met, the person cultivated the person enough so that your at a position to have a conversation about whether they want to join your board. And of course, that person has to be somebody who’s passionate about your mission and somebody who is going to bring something either some expertise or capacity or preferably or a network of contacts are preferably all three two the nexus of issues that the organization feeling you have ensured that the person you’re recruiting is bringing something, what one one to a little three of those? Absolutely because, of course, the ideal boardmember brings wealth, wisdom and work. And we want to engage all three. So you’re having the conversation and it’s almost always conversation, at least in my current job between me, sometimes with another trustee and the perspective person and i just lay the expectations out on the table. Now we have kind of a sliding scale of expectations, depending on the capacity of the person the board has voted. This is a small organization, it’s, about a ten and a half million dollar budget and how many trustees are there there at the moment? Thirty one that’s large could be that’s a lot that’s. A lot of trustees, partly because in a cultural institution, being on the board or on a committee of the board is the only way you have a connection there. No grateful patients. There are no alumni. You have to create a connection and keep it going. Okay, and the board is a very important way to do that. So getting back to the recruitment conversation, i always put a specific number on the table. Um, and it can be as little as the minimum annual gift that the board has voted. Should be the minimum, which is twenty, five hundred. Dollars uh huh. Often i will say site a larger annual gift if i know the person has more capacity plus either giving ah, e-giving or selling a table to the gala. And then we’ve been in a campaign mullet for the last five years. I usually say, you know, once you’ve gotten involved in and been a member and really gotten connected, we will be coming to talk to you about a major giff ok? And the first number that’s an annual number that’s an annual number. Okay, so you’re very clear about the expectations, do you? Do you do this in writing and let the person take it home to take it to the office and considerate or this is really all verbal well, what we give them in writing, we don’t give them the expectation and writing, okay, we give them the role of the board. You know what? What our expectations of them are in terms of their responsibilities and what they can expect of us in terms of response. Civilities, we give them a lot of background material about the organization would let them see who they’re colleagues on the board would baby give them. Aboard list, but we don’t have, you know, a pledge form that they have to sign beforehand. We figured that the verbal conversation is enough, and then we solicit them ah, at the at year end or calendar, you’re a fiscal year, and we have a june thirtieth fiscal year for what we’ve talked about. All right, now you have a new boardmember they’ve they’ve accepted based on the expectations, what is ah, board training look like for brand new board members around? Fund-raising well, we don’t have a really formal training for us it’s on the job, maybe they go on other calls, outgoing calls with others or what we mostly do. We have a pretty elaborate committee structure, one of which is this is a campaign committee, but a marketing committee of finance committee, education committee and exhibits committee, so we use those committees to get them connected with the meat and the program of the organization we use the gala committee very actively to engage people in soliciting tables for the gala. That’s in some ways, the easiest kind of fund-raising to do because it’s very transactional, then there’s a a certain small kadre of leadership volunteers. Who have made major gif ts and who are in powerful positions in the board that i work with personally to develop specific ask strategies that they participate in to go on called fund-raising calls with terrorism that’s sort of on the job it’s on me. Okay, so it’s on the job training because i’ve i’ve found i’ve worked it now for non-profits and i in none of them has there ever been, you know, you get the whole board together and you have a little fund-raising training thing. We tried to do that, actually on a retreat in two thousand eight, the week that the stock market was falling apart when we were about to launch our campaign and had a little role playing about how you ask, but that contrived, right? So everybody knew everybody knew was staged its quite trust, and i found that it’s much better to work directly with the person who’s agreed to go on a call with you, and what i do is write a script for that person, and i do it for myself too about you know what the objective is, how much we’re going to ask for what the background. Is the, you know, the background, research, the relationship with the person to the organization, and then what each of us is going to say, e-giving lending, e-giving e-giving, ding, ding, ding, ding! You’re listening to the talking alternate network, get him. Cubine money, time, happiness, success, where’s your breakthrough join me, nora simpson, as i bring you real world tools for combining financial smarts with spiritual purpose. 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Treyz i’m ken berger of charity navigator. And you’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio. Big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Yeah, so you actually rehearse since you have a school to do, you practise the meeting in advance? Well, i practice myself. I mean, i sit in my office and speak the script, and i often will have a telephone call with the person who’s going with nato to go over it, and they used these scripts. They work really well to shape the the conversation and, you know, it’s sort of various whose mouth, the actual ask is going to come out of it most often comes out of my mouth even if we’re going with a peer, but it doesn’t matter, really, because the presence of the pier there makes all the difference. And why don’t you say a word about that? For people who may not recognise what what’s the value of having is someone someone alongside with you, who’s a a peer of the of the person you’re soliciting. So having somebody who’s involved who’s already made a major her gift who’s giving their time and and treasure to the organization validates the organization for the person that you’re asking the money for and sets a bar down four for what they’re doing, especially if it’s a trustee because the trustees are supposed to be the ones who care the most were the most invested and therefore need to be the biggest investors in the organization. That somebody on the outside of the organization is always looking. Two how much trustees were doing and how much in particular that trustee who’s asking has done to help scale their level of gift thinking. So so here’s an example. Actually, this isn’t a trustee is somebody whose son is a trustee. And who i’ve tried to get a trust to be a trustee for years has taken on the project of raising money for a new research vessel, which is a two and a half million dollar project. He’s in the shipping industry. He’s. Very passionate about it. He cochairs the committee he brought in the person who’s. Um, project managing the project. Who’s built many boats. He helped move us to the decision away from retrofitting an old boat to building a new boat from scratch. He agreed to raise the money. He gave a half million dollars lead gift. And i took him to see ah, prospect that’s been in our family at about the ten. Thousand dollar level for a number of years. Who we honored it, our gala, who we’ve cultivated pretty thoroughly and whose connection to the aquarium was around our existing research vessel. So we went and sat with him right before christmas in their kitchen. Sam uh, the gentleman who’s leading this project talked about it very passionately talked about what he’s done, and that is instance, the actual ask came out of my mouth. We left them with materials. But then the leader that the head of this effort played golf with the prospect in florida continue to cultivate him on his own separately from anything that the institution was doing. And this gentleman stepped up with a half million dollar gift, matching the lead gift for matching the lead gift. So it was a long cultivation effort, probably going on for five years before we got to the critical moment where we found the right project that connected to this person’s passion. And i’m sure that the fact that he was being solicited by somebody else who had made a gift at that level was one of the things that determined no, his i mean, this is somebody with a lot of capacity. Who’s named things all over town. This also speaks to the value of the long term relationships that you mentioned now that may not have been a long term relationship, but it was the beginning of it was the beginning of a relationship between those between those two between those two. Absolutely and and there is the long term relationship with the institution. Find this gentleman the person who made the five hundred thousand dollar gift had been involved with the institution for at least five years. But between these two people, right, a developing relationship, correct? See each other’s piers on dh makes it tougher for the person solicited to refuse. The other thing usually is that when you’re going to have a solicitation call, the person that you’re soliciting knows why you’re coming to see that it’s not a surprise way don’t want toby blindsiding people you want them to know, right? I mean, you basically set up the meeting in a way that says, i want to come and talk to about this project for this campaign or so that they know what it is and if they don’t want to be solicited. They won’t take the meeting mostly right? Let’s talk about the role of the professional fundraiser in supporting lord fund-raising what do you see as the the role? Well acquaint people with the structure at the aquarium? Do you have? Ah, vice president, director development? Yes, there are some gift officers or we have it, but we have a very small development, as we have in highly experienced director development who’s been doing university development, heading university development departments for thirty years. We have a person who does foundations and ah latto the patron program and various other many aspects of fund-raising is sort of the director of the annual fund, but he’s also doing major gift so it’s not very good at everything that it is typical of a small shop. We have a person who does the gallas and corporate fund-raising we have a person who does membership and the acknowledgment of gif ts and some fulfillment of patron level gift, which is a thousand dollars for us, we don’t have very many patrons and and that person has an assistant so it’s basically five, five people in there, other things that are being done out of this. Opponent who eyes the liaison to the board for fund-raising assume it’s, the it’s, the director of development and to some degree that the person who manages the gala because the board is so involved in the gala so and and also the personal i would say that there are three of our gift officers that that have relationships, not with every boardmember but with some board members, and then since you’re giving your your topic is major gift, right, what’s, the what’s, the support that the director development probably is the one providing to the to the board around around major, gifted director, director of development it’s mostly providing support to me around major gift activities and that’s possibly because i have such a strong fund-raising background was the ceo. I mean, that’s what i’ve been my career has been for thirty years, so we talk about strategy. He identifies prospects, does the research. He does a lot of personal cultivation with these people, too. So he makes friends with them. He talks about his travels there, travels. He fixed us up with theater tickets. He does things that just brings them closer to the organization. He’s very active. In working with the board on small, intimate cultivation dinners, that’s something you ask board members to do? We asked members events and not in the way host them right in front of our biggest exhibit, which is a shark tank. So you’re you’re having dinner with the sharks swimming around in this elegant table. There’s, you know, a maximum of twenty of you there’s, some interesting intellectual guest, either professor from yale or the principle of our partner school that’s closing the achievement gap or somebody like that, you’re there with a bunch of peers that the board members bring to the table and that’s part of the cultivation effort that’s proven very successful and really important in moving people into major gift relationships with us. What do we do with or four board members who have a reluctance to do fund-raising now, even at the so even going back to the er, teo bringing them on, bring them on the board, the recruitment if they express our reluctance, they have skills that you need and they’re willing to do their own giving maybe a maybe a much higher level than the twenty five dollar minimum, but they have a reluctance to do to be asking people for money, what can they be doing around fund-raising we just don’t bother with them because we don’t have time, frankly, so you wouldn’t accept that kind of a boardmember no, no, we just leave them alone to what they’re doing, okay? And don’t try to make them do something they can’t d’oh. But even if they can’t ask there not comfortable asking, they could, for instance, host the hosting events so that’s were constantly, uh, trying to get people to bring their friends to our events to our friends of his are exhibit openings introduced people to us, and every year when we have aboard retreat, they all the people there pledged that they will do that and every year on ly a few of them do it word definitely working very hard to get boardmember sze to agree to host or co host thies, small dinners are shark tank dinners and bring with its great they’re called struck thank dinner. Yes. Oh, isn’t that great? I just read something online that if there was one drop of blood in one million drops of blood or something like that, sort of sense that consensus was that on npr’s website or something it could be but that’s something that that one of our education programs that demonstrates two kids very interesting how they do it with a little drop of tomato juice, being deluded and deluded and deluded, and and they figure out when they can taste it and okay, yeah, so your shark tank dinners so we’re constantly trying to get boardmember is to bring their peers to shark tank dinners, which is very difficult to do, and only a few of them are really able tto leverage those kinds of relationships. It’s, you know, we have in some ways a naive for this is not new york city, and this is not new york city fund-raising with the kind of power boards that i’ve worked with at the new york public library and the wildlife conservation society it’s a very different kind of bored, maybe many of these people are being our board members for the first time, some of them are, you know, business people may be in the upper middle management of the bank, and there they don’t have that kind of reach into rich people community that um, that is common in new york. On the other hand, fairfield county has a huge amount of hedge fund wealth and a huge amount of maritime wealth, although in this economy, that’s less than it, wass. And we’re getting more and more of those kinds of people on our board who do have a network and are able to to bring us at least to get this us in a room with them. Okay, then the challenge becomes how two convince the sector. That is more and more about venture philanthropy that has measurable impact. That there’s something for them at the maritime aquarium? Yeah, on dh. Well, we want to stick to the board fund-raising topic, but i know that impact and outcome assessment is very here for lots of charities. And yes, it is a struggle for cultural institutions to do that. Although it sounds like maybe around your education in this job we do. We are able to do that around our education on shifts and initiatives in some very interesting ways about closing the achievement gap, and one of our trustees made a very strategic a gift to us that allowed us to do a case study about a partner school that we’re working with and what impact our partnership has had in their achievement there. Rising achievement of school that’s almost all inner city kids. Jennifer way have just about a minute left. And i want to talk a little about the case for support on dh analyzing that case for support again in just a minute. So what’s your advice around scrutinising that you need a strong case for support. You need your board to be able to deliver it in an elevator speech s so that they can be great ambassadors for you. The case for support is what’s going to make people give? They have to understand that you have to teach them through your case for support that you are an institution that can help them change the world, that they can change the world through your institution, and get the joy and satisfaction of doing that through their philanthropy. The the elevator speech for board members, do you help them write it? First? Talk about what we have definitely done that, and we’ve done it in various ways. The elevator speech should have a certain set of statistics, and i’ve actually gone so far as to take a business card and write him out that they can keep in their pocket this citizen. But the elevator speech also has to connect to the passions of the boardmember so that they can talk about the institution in a way that that communicates the passion that they bring to it. So every boardmember doesn’t have the same elevators, no every boardmember doesn’t and shouldn’t have the same elevator speech. Excellent advice. Ok, it goes to what? What? What moves them the most. What moves down, right? We have to leave it there, but thank you so much, tony. My pleasure. Jennifer herring is president and ceo of the maritime aquarium at norwalk in norwalk, connecticut. Pleasure. Thank you very much for joining me, jennifer. My pleasure. Thank you, toni. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of fund-raising day two thousand twelve marriott marquis, hosted by association of fund-raising professionals, new york city chapter. My thanks again to the folks at fund-raising day and jennifer herring. Right now, we take a break, and when we returned, tony’s take two, and then it’ll be maria semple revisiting your two thousand twelve prospect plan. So hang around. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed hi and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. 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And, as i say in the blogged, something similar to that was reported in the new york times last year and and the block post has a link to that coverage, i think the lessons for charities are you need to stay true to the charitable mission that got you. The irs is designation of tax exempt however, many years ago that was and in the case of one of the charity’s sighted, but you’ll see in the blogged from new york city, that was nineteen, thirty four and but now, obviously, new york city is challenging that. So you need to stay true to that charitable mission that got you that original tax exempt designation and i think, also need to stay in compliance with state and local regulations. And laws because i could see compliance being linked to keeping your tax advantage at the state and local level. And that’s all we’re talking about. We’re not talking about federal tax exemption. These were ah, this is all state and local tax advantages also want to remind you well, that’s on the block and my blog’s is that tony martignetti dot com and that’s, this week’s post. I also want you to remember that we have a linked in group and on the linked in group. You can tell me what you ah, i have as ideas for future shows. Or give me feedback on previous guests. When if you’d like to say, please check us out on linkedin. And that is tony’s. Take two for friday, june fifteenth the twenty fourth show of the year. The year is almost half over. How is that possible, maria? Simple. I know your air right in here. Hello, maria. Simple. How are you? I’m doing well. Maria is the prospect finder she’s, an experienced trainer and speaker on prospect research. Her website is the prospect finder dot com. Her book is panning for gold. Find your best donor prospects now and most importantly, she’s, our regular prospect research contributor, and this month we’re revisiting the twenty twelve prospect plan maria from the january sixth show. You had some ideas back then, i did absolutely so i came up with kind of a list of things that people could do, and i thought i’d be a good idea to revisit it now that we are hard to believe midpoint in the year of twenty twelve already, i know, um, so not to revisit the entire show, but some of the tips that we had, we brought to the table at that point we were talking about, you know, prospecting from within your database in-kind of mining that database and tips for how you can keep up with some of your top prospects. But we also talked about proactively identifying people outside the database and bringing them into your organization to learn more about your missions and by hosting by hosting some cultivation events, right? Right. So we did, you know, talk about cultivation events. My suggestion had been to in the first three months of the year, really trying to identify people from within the database and proactively identified people outside your database that you might invite some cultivation events and then try and hold those events in second quarter. So let let’s assume that people may have taken our advice hosted one or two cultivation events, but if not, we have some lessons or we have some ideas to get started. The year’s not over and it’s only half. So you can still, you know, implement all of these and just think about shifting the tips into the second half of the year. That’s even we have even more than half. This is only the twenty fourth. So twenty four, twenty four, fifty seconds have passed. So what is that? Twelve. Twenty six and then it goes down even further. Teo six, six, eighth goes from all right. Well, you have more than half the year left. Yeah, just a little over half the year. So all is not lost. But anyway, let’s, let’s talk about some of those. Those tips that we talked about, we mentioned identifying maybe the within your database. Who were those top ten to twenty gifts that you’d received in the past year. And also your top ten prospects in terms of lifetime giving to your organization and, you know, inviting those people to attend a cultivation event. Now, you know, sometimes people refer to these parlor event. You know, whatever terminology want to use, the event can be held at your facility. If you have a facility you want to showcase or outside in somebody’s home. So in particular, if you have somebody you’re affiliated with with your board or another volunteer who’s willing to open up their home, particularly if they have a lovely home. And really, the setting would work very nicely for us. A small, intimate gathering. The key to remember here, there’s no. Ask at that. You know, that could also be on site. You might have. You might have a very interesting place for people to gather on site i in the interview that everybody heard earlier in the show. Jennifer herring is president of the maritime aquarium at norwalk in connecticut. And they like to host things in front of the shark tank. Right? So it could be a small gathering. If you have a small shark or maybe have a gecko or, you know a hamster, you could host a small group in front of a little aquarium. With, you know, eight or twelve people watching the hamster go around in a wheel, i mean, that could be compelling. Yeah, certainly if you have a facility that lend itself well to that type of gathering that’s great. I attended something recently at the liberty science center here in jersey city in new jersey, and it was a fabulous event, and so, you know, just get creative and think about what would draw people in. Is it the space? Is that this person’s home on dh? The key is to really be able teo stick to the time frame that you tell people it will be, particularly if you’re going to do it around some sort of a breakfast event, people need to get on with their day, be a little bit more lax if it’s an end of the day event, but from a prospecting or prospect research point of view you want to think about while you’re attending that event, listening for, you know, some of the general interests now, you know, i’m assuming that a lot of the people that are listening to this show may be from a smaller to midsize non-profit so the person taking on the role of prospect researcher is either the executive director is the development director, maybe a communications director. Whoever that person is that also does some prospect research at the organization should be in attendance at this event with the so purpose, really, to do a little bit of intelligence gathering. Yeah, you want to be you want to be making sure that people are that staff, if you do have multiple staff, you don’t want them huddled together over in the sort of the room, even if it’s just two or three of you, you know, huddled in a corner, chatting or all seated at the same table if there are multiple tables, that’s, a that’s, a big mistake, you’re not you’re not going to be out talking to people as much as you could be, right? So this is an opportunity for you to showcase your non-profit but also to elicit a lot of wonderful information that, quite frankly, a lot of instances you may just not be able to find this information online. So so what type of information might that be that you’d want to elicit as wearing your prospect? Just general interest just engaged the person in conversation on and be a good listener that is just so very keys just to really put your listening ears on. And we’ve talked about we have talked about that in the past. Thie radical listening, which came from a previous guest. Melanie schnoll begun. And then you picked up on radical listening and recommended it as prospect research vehicle. Right? Total cultivation event is a great place for you to become a radical listener. So gent general interests that they have any family information that you khun gather sometimes there might be information about children, ages of children just to get kind of get an idea of where they are, what point in their lives that they’re at. Um, are they you know, more of a plan giving prospect for you? Are they really just starting out in their lives, their careers, and have very young children? Just you want to be genuinely interested in in their lives? S and and what? What it is about your work that appeals to them, right? And one way to find out about that is, well, obviously to directly ask them. But it’s also interesting to try and gather where else? They’re volunteering their time. You know what other charities air they particularly interested in so that you can try and figure out? Well, gee, just, you know, the programming and then services that we offer does it a line at all with what this family has in terms of their general charitable interest. So in the case of the maritime museum, they might be thinking about, you know, china, find out what you nowhere else these people are are spending their time. Are they interested in other maybe water conservation efforts, other charities that really address water quality in the long island sound? You know, things of that nature, and so for sure, you’ll know that you’re on the right track and engaging this person in additional conversation. So, you know, that might be a great way to find out where they and their spouse volunteered their time also vacationing. You know, this is a great opportunity for you to say so, you know, do you have any exciting vacation plans for this summer? Uh, so, you know, be listening for responses like, yeah, we’ll be spending, you know, the entire month of august in our home. In the hamptons, you know, they say that nature good to know just just generally find out what type if they say no, we’re doing this stay cation thing this year, you know, pick up on that cue, um, and then really, really important the circles back to something we talked about in the january show is to be able to really create some sort of contact reports on capturing critical information that you’ve been able to glean from the, uh, from the cultivation events. Right now, we have a great dahna database right now, back in january, we talked about we encouraged i think it was the eleven percent that didn’t have a computer database to look at the clouds packages that available, and you went into detail and on that in the january six show, so hopefully some of those people have converted teo computer databases, right? And if they’re still in there, sort of in the shopping phase, i’ll just remind them real quickly that the two websites that that might be something for them to check out that might give them some additional info on what’s available out there. Idealware dot or ge talked had a kn article about how to select a database and tech soup dot or ge is a good place to find some low cost and free tech advice. So, you know, check those out if you’re still in shopping mode. Andi, i you know, i truly believe that cloud based is the way to go it’s just going to give your staff and your board the most flexibility on dh then your point about saving that valuable information that you that you learn at a cultivation event in that computer database or if you’re not computerized yet, i guess you know, you you print up a contact report and put it in a person’s folder, right? Exactly and, you know, it’s really important, like, just just like you don’t want that staff to be all congregating together in the corner, it’s going to be very important after the event post event very quickly thereafter within a day or two to have a debriefing if it’s not a meeting, get a conference call going, you know, there’s free conference services out there there’s no reason why you can’t just say, you know, knowing in advance the date of the event, let’s say it’s a thursday evening by by friday midday, you could be having a conference call in have that scheduled way in advance that you’re going to have a debriefing call, you know what were the important point? Somebody found out from speaking with some of the people, and you may want to actually pre-tax fine people, right? So if we know in advance that mr big bucks is going to be there, why not do a little pre advanced research on him and find out a little bit of information? And so that a boardmember can be assigned to perhaps be the person to you know, just have a discussion and you can even try and figure out who the best four person would be, that you’d want to make sure cultivating that individual during the way we’re going to take a break. I want to emphasize before we do one thing that you said, which is in terms of inviting people, look a tte donors who have give been giving for the lifetime large donors over their lifetime, so individual gifts may not be so large, but they’re giving history over the life over their lifetime with your organization. Is quite large. Those air also good people to invite. We’re going take a break, and maria simple will still be with me after that break. And i hope you will, too. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. M call in for a free psychic readings. 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I would say in terms of pre imposed cultivation event, there are a couple of websites that you might want a bookmark to be able to do some of that general research on an individual that might be attending or might have attended anay event. I outlined some of these in the going beyond google article that i have on my website, and maybe what i ll do, tony is at after the show go ahead into your lincoln page as well as your lincoln group as well as your facebook group on dh post there about what where they confine that exactly, but it’s a suspect finder, dot com and it’s on the resource is paige, so some of those things that you can do is obviously run the person’s name through google. Now the big tip with google is that you want to put quotation marks around a person’s name, so that you’re finding their name as a phrase in google if is so, certainly you could do that. You can set up a google alerts again on the top ten donors we had recommended back in january that you look at the top donors that you have in your database and set up an alert on their name that’s free google will push the information to you so you could find out if something new is happening, especially in somebody’s business career. Now, last time we talked about alerts, i think you had set one on me or we talk about something and you used me as an example. I was lousy results was a wealth indicator. Was that that wealth indicator? What? What, you know, what’s interesting about setting up. Stop using me as an example, right? Google and google alerts is if you google plus now is actually influencing, and we talked about that on one of your shows it’s influencing your search results. So if you are on google plus and you are logged into google, the results are actually going to be skewed more toward social results. So if you’re doing this purely as a prospect researcher. You may want to actually log out of google. Um, your google plus account before commencing your prospect research. Just a tip. I think you might get a little bit more of objective results, if you will. It’s not gonna be so much skewed toward just social sector social media here. And you had you had examples on of other alerts that that people could set beyond the free google lorts, which are which are outstanding. I use them a lot for for my work, right? But you had some examples of others specific newspaper alerts. A lot of the newspapers out there permit used to set up alerts on specific phrases. If you and also the news sources in your state here i track in new jersey, i track and jay is, uh, they send me daily alert just generally what’s going on in the business community. I get those alerts twice a day here in new jersey. So that’s, something you want to consider looking into. What is that publication that covers your state? It might present from interesting opportunities for you because they tend to not only highlight, you know, negative news that’s going on, but also some real positive news and then one of the fee based services that some of your listeners maybe currently scribed, too, for doing foundation research is called foundation search dot com and as paid subscriber, one of the things that you have access to is a new foundation alert service. So if you are subscribed to that service, definitely set up the alert for yourself. They’ll let you know anytime a new foundation is formed on registered with the irs in your state or whatever states you decide to set up, as you know, the alert service and you will be pushed the information through email, then you can check it out a little bit further waken set these alerts up not only for individuals but companies and foundations. That’s, right? Yeah, you can definitely do that as well. Cos and foundations, you want to set up those alert so, you know, whatever it is that you’re looking to track for certain, you want to set up the alert there? Um, lincoln is a great place to research. Somebody pretty opposed an event. Also, they have free alerts that you can set up within lincoln. So let’s say you’re always, you know, prospecting for somebody who holds specific in a certain industry. Let’s say the accounting industry or something like that. Ah, and you want to always be notified anytime somebody new joins lincoln who’s in the accounting field and also happens to be within a certain radius of your zip code, you can set those types of alerts up up to three of them, actually under a free lengthen account to take advantage of that. And have lincoln pushed the information to you, maria, is that using the advanced search? Yeah, yeah. You can do with the advanced search page just to do the search initially and then? Ah, once you set those, you see the search results, you can actually save that search and you’re allowed to save up to three searches. Particularly useful. Okay. Okay, so the cultivation events, the alerts i’ve calculated now the year is six thirteen ths of the way through. So you have you have seven thirteenth remaining to take advantage of these ideas that maria originally recommended back in january. But don’t feel bad, maria. We have just about thirty seconds left. What do you want to leave people with in? This mid year checking this revisiting of the prospect plan i think it’s really just the idea of getting proactive on dh getting their delve into your database proactively trying mine it proactively look for people who are outside of the database that you need to bring in and learn about your organization and really help them stored them along said that they will feed knew names into your organization and be willing to host their own cultivation event. Maria simple you’ll find her at the prospect finder dot com our regular contributor, maria pleasure talking to you, thank you very much. We’ll catch you next month and my thanks again, of course, to jennifer herring and the folks at a f p for ah, letting me be on the exhibit floor last week at fund-raising day in new york city next week, what happened in two thousand eleven? Well recap the years fund-raising with bob evans of giving yusa and returning rob mitchell, the ceo of atlas, of giving we’ll compare and contrast they’re two methods and what their findings are for last year’s fund-raising also scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news, returns with going mobile he and i will talk about mobile aps and your mobile website a few weeks ago on tony’s take two i talked about my core beliefs that charity’s need to do better and that they deserve the help that they need. 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Metoo hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. I very much hope you were with me last week. I’d be in shock if i learned that you had missed these two features. These two guests smart interviewing makes great hiring cheryl nufer, a founding partner in peredo consulting, explained why behavioral interviewing is superior to traditional methods and how any size non-profit khun get better hires through more sophisticated interviewing, whether you hyre once a year or many times a month and relationship mapping. Maria simple, the prospect finder and our regular monthly prospect research contributor helped you mind your data with tools that reveal relationships you didn’t know exist among your donors. As always, she shares about shared shared values last week. Who wrote this copy? I need an intern so i have somebody to blame it’s what situation is she shared? Valuable resource is many of them free. And if anyone wants to be an intern on the show and take blame every week, please send me your resume this week. The law of attraction it’s the melanie show i should say the law. Of attraction to attract major gift prospects and potential board members, you have to put your best foot forward to get what you are seeking. Melanie schnoll begun is managing director at morgan stanley private wealth management. She helps her ultra high net worth clients make charitable gif ts and get on boards, but she has practical and valuable advice that applies to any charity soliciting a major gift or recruiting a boardmember and diane of the day melanie west writes the donor of the day feature for the wall street journal and covers philanthropy. She’ll explain how she likes to be pitched story ideas, giving you the best chance of getting major coverage for your donors and also what she sees trending and finally there’s a buffet in the news. 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Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio with me now is melanie schnoll begun. She is a managing director and head of morgan stanley private wealth, management’s philanthropic services. She serves as a philanthropic advisor to families, foundations and family offices, working with the firm’s, ultra high net worth clients. She’s, the incoming board, president of juvenile diabetes research, foundation of new york and board treasure of the partnership for philanthropic planning. My show has been a sponsor at there. National conference on philanthropic planning the past two years. I’m very pleased that her work and her expertise brings her to the show. Melanie schnoll begun welcome. Thank you so much, tony. Just one corrections. Why in the current oh, you are the kirk heard president of the board of juvenile diabetes research funding. I have to say that because the topic today that we’re gonna be talking about if i didn’t correct you about my particular officer position on a board, i wouldn’t be selling the reason why i said or or why i think it’s so important to serve for constance he believe in. So this is why i need an intern with you and i would both blame the intern and it wouldn’t have reflected on you badly at all. What is your work around with ultra high net worth individuals? What are you doing with them? Well, i think that my work is providing meaning in their life. Many of our clients come to us because they’re in the middle of a transition. Perhaps they’ve sold their business, maybe there’s some interesting event that’s happened in their life, perhaps even a very sad event. That’s happened their life, and we help them identify how to be very strategic, purposeful and planned in there, giving for many clients when they think about making a contribution, even a large contribution, they don’t put a tremendous amount of thought into it. It might be a cause that they’ve heard about maybe one that they’re associated with, but they’re not doing a deep dive into the background and the backdrop of what’s really going on in that non-profit organization or what else? There might be out there in the world. So we try and provide that professionalism and then along the way make our clients professionals themselves. What what? What? Do you find motivates ultra high net worth? And shortly i’m gonna ask you, what is ultra high net worth? But we’ll work our way to that. But what do you think motivates their giving? Well for some clients? It’s because someone sick in their family for other clients, it’s because their rights a little more about that someone sick where the e-giving in memory of the person, soon it’ll be in memory, will hopefully to find a cure. Hopefully the final usually clients witness a major change in their attitude. What they used to buy with their wealth no longer becomes important and that’s, because the second that someone has a diagnosis in their family of someone who’s ill the only thing they’re thinking about is identifying better treatment and perhaps secure. So we find often that we come to the film provoc table with someone who has just been given that diagnosis more and is looking for the solution where so many of us just our resource is, we go to the web and we learn as much as we can, but when we’re talking about people with extraordinarily extraordinary wealth that can actually invested in a possible cure that’s what? They want to buy it. They want to buy the cure. I think what’s shocking and disappointing in many instances is that clients, no matter how wealthy they are, find out that they can’t necessarily buy everything. So it is that deep investment for the long term, perhaps not even for the benefit of their family member who might be ill but for others to find a cure better treatment. Better resource is that might bring some of our clients to the table. Others are just deeply invested in their community. They want better cultural organizations. They want better education for their kids. Certainly in new york, that’s a very big issue about private school, public school. And as your children are going through that educational problem situation, where are there enough of fine schools in new york to send our kids to? In many instances, they find that they that there’s not so. Our clients are interested in identifying. How can they be the solution to the educational drama issue? We have just a couple minutes before a break. What? What what’s the definition of ultra high net worth. What is how much money are we? Talking about, well, a lot more money than i have. I’ve always said that i really hope to one day be able to be my own client. But for us, ultra high net worth is really defined as clients who have a net worth of twenty five million and more. The reality is that it’s, a very open span for those clients, though, with twenty five million and mohr, they usually have a significant out, a significant amount of money that they could do something incredibly impactful with their philantech. On how much i’m wondering how much does somebody who has that kind of wealth walk around within their wallet like like i have typically, like thirty or forty dollars in my wallet? But so i would probably not be confused for ultrahigh worth of net worth. If someone stole my wallet, i probably wouldn’t i probably couldn’t get away with that. But, you know, like, how much do you think they have? Just on an average day in there? Well, how much do you think that carry around? Probably probably no cash. I think that i think that most about very wealthy people typically put most their stuff on cards today. So you know what? Actually, i would go after your wallet if i knew that you were on the street. So just watch thirty or forty bucks, so i was ready. I was ready to go, like, three or four hundred in my wallet, and then it almost be worth it to lose that much if i could get two muggers to think that i’m ultra high net worth. Yeah, yeah. Now they would share the story of the ultra high net worth guy, you know, among their prison friends and i could, you know, get known that way, but i’m going about it the wrong way. You got to go down so well, no cash. Now we need to talk about prison reform as faras labbate, right? So so how can you make sure that those who come out of prison that are better off than when they went in and are telling the story of twenty martignetti being ultra? Yeah, absolutely. 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When charity’s air trying to solicit gif ts you have your clients who are ultra high net worth, but you have, i think, very valuable advice for any charity that’s trying to solicit any major gift, which maybe five hundred dollars or thousand dollars for some charities. What what’s your you see sort of faulty proposals a lot, don’t you? Yeah, i think that non-profits believe they understand who the donor is, and they prepare something in advance. That’s a critical error, you never know who that donor is, the famous saying. If you’ve met one philanthropist, you’ve met one philanthropist, so we try and tiki non-profits to perform a radical listening, and that means spending the time to really understand why a donor may want to be a donor to their organization. The time will be incredibly valuable both for the non-profit but even more importantly for the donor, when the donor has the opportunity to talk about what they care about why they care about the organization’s mission, you hear things you really hear things inside of that conversation inside the conversation in the donor’s hat so radical listening is a skill that we teach non-profits to practice. And that skill is something that serves both board members. It serves the staff of non-profit organizations, and at the end, you’re really giving a service to a donor. I think that most of my clients find that no one listens to them well enough. Yeah, but but a charity that’s that’s soliciting a major gift. However they define that might feel that they’re not going to get another meeting with this person. They go one shot. We finally got the meeting. We got forty five minutes. Way better. We’ve got to lay it all out because we may never get a second meeting that’s, right? So you walk into every meeting with the idea that if i really listened to this donor, i’m going to get the second meeting. If you walk in with a proposal thinking that you know who this person is and what they want to offer your organization, you’re probably guaranteeing yourself that you’re not going to see that donor again. So does it always work? It may not always work if you begin practicing it. Well, if you spend so much time performing discovery on that donor both in the dance of the meeting and then, while you’re sitting at that meeting, i think over time you’ll find that your practice as a fundraiser will dramatically improve. So you’re suggesting that if you can move the donor while while radically listening, then you’ll get a follow-up meeting brightstep my suggestion is, if you are performing radical listening, you will move the donor, okay, okay, even without introducing your mission and your work in the first in the first meeting, right? Because you’re going to hear from the donor what the donor wants to dio instead of telling the donor with a non-profit wants the donor and you do know there’s a threshold interest, otherwise you wouldn’t have gotten the first meeting would have gotten the meeting would have gotten the meeting. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s an important skill it’s something that has been written about andi, i think that we can’t live in that fear fundraisers can’t live in that fear that this is joan, or will not be interested in talking to me again. In fact, most of the conversation is not a conversation most of the conversation is letting that ultra high network donor talked to you, and you’re just there. To listen or again, it could be any level donor, and i’ve had where we have a regular prospect. Research contributor maria simple is on, and she and i have talked about the value of the face to face meetings, and she’s a professional prospect researcher who knows all the web webb resource is, you know, but she still recognizes that the greatest prospect research comes from a good, good conversation, absolutely, and and and and he’s absolutely right face-to-face looking a donor in their eyes. In many instances, i think being on the donor’s being in the donor’s territory so ah place where they’re comfortable, where it’s an environment either their office, they’re home, maybe somewhere where they’ve recommended that they like to go for coffee. Usually i recommend going for a glass of wine because, you know, does it doesn’t hurt, but her loosen up? Yeah, exactly. I’ve tried to get sam lee boards to have wine here, but he’s not doing it now you’re not really radical listening, right? I just radically demand. Thanks, you know, but i’m not a charity, so i think i’m exactly you only have thirty example. Everything was for you only have thirty dollars. You’re well, you’re our charity ticket. You can’t get a decent bottle of wine for thirty bucks. So then the careful listening radical listening is goingto inform your valuable proposal when that when it’s the right time, that’s, right sametz writer and the valuable proposal some hints that we give to non-profits as they’re preparing that that proposal brief three points know what are the key issues that you’ve heard? The donor has said to you, the areas where they’re really interested in supporting on ly talk about those areas, right? Putting in a proposal for stuff that you haven’t heard because the organization needs it, but the donor doesn’t want it what’s the likelihood of that getting funded so three typically are the most that we suggested a proposal going backto a donor that you know what they’re interested in, you’re going to get a much better response, okay, other tips for the for the proposal itself, for the written document, you brief couple pages, right? A couple of pages in fact, most of our clients today, they don’t want to read stuff, right? And they fear that if the non-profit is spending so much time and resource is preparing proposals, then they may not be spending the money that i’m giving to the organization i’m doing the work so in many instances, is it brief short? In fact, non-profit should ask the donor. How would you like me to prevent to present a proposal? Is it isn’t even something that you want in writing? Or should we just have another conversation? I would welcome that second conversation so that now the second meeting, the donor’s prepared to do their own radical listening. Is there a problem? Sometimes when a donor gets sort of passed off from somebody who knows the work very well to the fund-raising professional who’s goingto the closer it’s like it’s, like in a in a car dealership going to which i have very bad memories of a child. Buying my first car was awful, but at a car dealership going from the salesmen to the finance manager exactly going that office and the door gets closed off, you know, but being passed from the maybe the executive director or someone who knows the work well to the closer the fundraiser doesn’t something get lost there sometimes. Yeah. What? What gets lost is the gift. So no one wants to be handed off everyone in that non-profit organization, both from voluntary leadership. To professional staff should be able to talk about programming if the executive director is the one who has contact with that donor. If it’s a boardmember who has the contact with that donor, or if it is the professional fundraiser that has the contact with that donor, the conversation should be between those two people bringing others include others in the conversation. But don’t hand a donor off. I have a a client’s situation that happened with a large university hospital incredible organization doing tremendous work. And this client’s unfortunately this this medical institution was not able to save the life of our client’s husband. But he wanted to honor him. She wants to memorialize him. And the doctor who was treating her husband was the individual that he wanted to leave a contribution for so that he could continue doing the great work that he began with her clothes with her with her husband. Many of the conversations happened between her and the doctor. It was intimate. She could see clearly what she wanted to accomplish. And then when it came down to the clothes she was handed to a development director. Ah, fine development director. Someone who? Spent years in the business, but it was so disconnected and she felt that were there. Were you there for the meeting? So i was there after the fact also, i came in to help save the gift. Okay? And we this this donor-centric working with us after he felt that brush off from the doctor and it was completely unintentional. So totally unintentional. Just protocol just about innocuous handing off it’s the way things are done, he wasn’t supposed to close that’s someone else’s responsibility. So what? I teach both boards as well as professional staff. It’s everyone’s, responsibility close. If you’re the one who has the relationship, you need to be confident enough to make the ask. And you need to be prepared enough too close. And if it’s i guess if it’s a really technical gift which it could be a at large dollar amounts, then at least include the in your case, the doctor, but generally the program, the work expert in the conversations don’t leave him or her out in the hall while now the professional closer you know, goes through his is her stick that’s, right? And you know it. Theatre knees, the accountants. All the financial advisers, all of those professionals, need to play a role in the process. I’m if the donor wants him to be included in the conversations about the specifics of the gift that’s great, but there’s the technical aspects of giving and then there’s the emotional aspects of giving and what i see getting lost. It’s, it’s, it’s never technique, right? You could draft a perfect trust. It could be absolutely accurate. The document itself could get an a plus plus in any fine law school. But if the donor is not connected emotionally to the gift, it doesn’t matter what the document says. Melanie schnoll begun is managing director, head of morgan stanley, private wealth, management’s philanthropic services and we’re talking about the law of attraction basically had a look good when you’re either soliciting a gift or soliciting someone for boardmember ship, which is what i’d like tio transition to now, okay. Appealing to a board appealing to a potential boardmember, um since you’re working with ultra high net worth people, i’m going to guess that sometimes there approached because they’re very wealthy. And how do they feel about that? Yeah, so in the law of attraction, it’s it’s rarely because they’re really good looking. Damn many of them might be hot tonight, but it’s usually because they’re wealthy, so similar to the idea of marriage. Right? So when i got married, i married for love. I married for looks there’s, you know there’s a little bit of money to that’s. All so that’s, always wonderful when you think that before you can say sex on the show is this the part where you were this sick? It’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming sex is you have to have a little foreplay before sex. So it’s getting there russia you’re like that’s been my problem. You’re russian in europe. Well, among others, but let’s keep it let’s. Keep it focused on alt-right work-life let’s, take this conversation on the bed here. Right? Right, right. So the opportunity of creating a marriage between potential boardmember and an organization it’s. Incredibly important. So the the reason donors believe that serving a non-profit is an appropriate step for them is because they’ve been courted well, it’s, because they find the organization incredibly attractive and good looking it’s because they want to spend a lot of time with that organization because they want to see that organism they grow and really achieve incredible impact very similar to marriage alive know the problem with marriage is is half the men in divorce, so the same is true with non-profit port service, you’re excited at the beginning, right? You can’t wait for that next kiss can’t wait for the next date and then quickly within the first year, if the non-profit doesn’t really know how to work well, play well, dine the donor well doesn’t understand where they like to go to how they like to vacation. If the non-profit doesn’t know how to use the donor to his or her maximum capacity, they get bored, they get disenchanted and the worst thing is donors cheats like just like what happens in many families that fall apart, they begin looking at other opportunities that really do want them thinking that it’s better on the other side there feeling remorse about having joined this board, everything was great in the beginning, the right the honeymoon stage, but about exactly right. Exactly right. So spend your time non-profit should spend their time thinking about whether or not this is a person they want to marry. Is this a person that will bring value to this relation? Can we grow together? And what do we each bring to the relationship? It has to be more than just money again. Just like many families, right? If all you’re going after is the wealth than a marriage for many, many years will fall apart. You know the boardmember potential boardmember wants to know that they’re going to be used effectively. That’s right? Utilized way. Don’t use board members. We usually large numbers. Okay. Okay. Um, taking over the show? No. Uh, let’s see, so but a lot of times, board charities need an expertise. We need an accountant or we feel we need an attorney. And in some deshele t real estate, maybe or something. So they’re seeking that profession. But that is contrary to what you’re recommending, right? So i think what boardmember sze need to be on? What boards need to do to get the right people on their team is, they have to look for people different than themselves. What happens with most non-profit boards is you look around the board table and everyone’s the same right, because it’s a friend introducing another friend. They come from similar backgrounds, specially smaller charity it’s, a friend of the executive director of the founder, absolutely especially small non-profits and specifically, when they’re getting off the ground, right. So it’s, the founder, it’s, the founders best friend, its founder, sister, and perhaps someone who worked for them at one point time or an intern so non-profits really need to think about how can we bring true diversity to our board? Professionalizing aboard must include accountants, financial advisors, lawyers, but you can’t just look at them as a lawyer, you need to look at them as a lawyer that has a mission that there interest must be tethered, if not tied to the nonprofit organization, that they’re a lawyer that’s their skill set. But ultimately we know that even if they warrant a lawyer that they really support the work of that organization. I wantto have you bring something out that we had talked about that very wealthy people are not un interested in working for smaller midsize working among being utilized by small and midsize charities. Is that right? Absolutely. I think that many very wealthy clients believe that they can be better utilised in a small nonprofit organization. In fact, that’s where most of the money came from. So the majority of our client base started their own closely held businesses. And they realise what it means to rule up their sleeves to get dirty. They love on that kind of opportunity and nonprofit organizations. So when you come into these large non-profit organizations very bureaucratic, very political. So many individuals that look like them. So it is even mohr attractive for wealthy people to see that you know, my gift. We’ll make a significant difference here. But my time may even be more valuable. Tulani schnoll begun is a managing director and head of morgan stanley. Private wealth, management’s philanthropic services. Melanie, thanks very much for being in the studio. Being a guest, tony. Thanks for having me. It’s. Been a pleasure right now. We take a break when he returns. Tony’s, take two. And then, after that die, end of the day. Melanie west. Stay with me. Hyre you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed, i and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. 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A couple of weeks ago, i played pirates with my seven year old nephew and my nine year old niece, and it got me thinking about the value of taking time for play, whether that’s play with kids or play with adults, it’s a chance to rest your mind and think about things on dh ideas completely unrelated to what your work may be day to day, it could be mindless play, and that could be even mindless play with adults you might have fund-raising yourself mindless with adults and then and then playing, you know, talk politics without any restraint that we have in our day to day lives. All i think makes you at least i feel this makes me feel more refreshed makes me more focused at work. I think when i take time off and i return, i’m just i’m just performing better and i’m hoping that you’ll get some of those same result it’s from taking time, tio play could be pirates could be something else and that’s what’s. My blogged this week, my blog’s is tony martignetti dot com. I also want you to know that we have a linked in group for the show. If you have a suggestion of guests or topics for the show again, just go to the blogged tony martignetti dot com and there’s, a very prominent link to all my social media properties presences, including the new linking group for the show and that is tony’s take two for friday, april twentieth, twenty twelve. The sixteenth show of the year with me now is melanie west. She writes for the greater new york section of the wall street journal. She writes the donor of the day column and covers the philanthropy beat. Before that, she wrote for the weekend journal aboutthe wine industry and wine travel. She joined the journal in two thousand six graduate of cornell and the columbia university graduate school of journalism. Melanie west lives in manhattan with her husband, and i’m very glad that her work brings her to the studio. Melanie welcome. Thank you. Pleasure to have you. Thank you. Um, let’s talk about donorsearch that day. What’s the what’s. The purpose there. Well, as you know, we’ve had a long commitment at the journal to report on the philanthropic interests of of our readership, and for many years we had a column that was gift of the week. And during the economic downturn, we how do i put it? Sunset that column in favor of resurrecting it with the greater new york section, which is our city section in the wall street journal, available in new jersey and connecticut, and certainly manhattan and the boroughs. And ah, the decision there was to create a column that was daily and looked at all kinds of philanthropy be at a forty million dollars gift or a gift from a teenager who does something that’s incredibly not charitable. So that’s what? The column is runs most every day in the paper. Assuming that we have news, we have room for it on dh it’s a pleasure to do and they they preferred the alliteration. Clearly, i like a little rations on my show. Gift of the week doesn’t sound snazzy donor the day sounds pretty cool, i guess die end of the day you’re doi end of the day, i’m doubling urges w w end of the day i think and you just surpassed five hundred columns. I know not you personally. Yes, we’ve done five hundred of them wasn’t just last month, i think, yep, ok. And that’s, you know, it’s been a great opportunity to speak with e, you know, diverse group of people here in the city and to learn about their passions. And i won’t say that it isn’t a challenge. Teo, create that column every day or lose five days a week. It is so you know, i hope your readers, your listeners, have some ideas for me, and they could certainly reach out to me, and we’re going to talk about that. How long have you been doing the column over a year now, okay, i’ve written the majority of that five hundred. Oh, you have, yeah, okay. And your predecessor was surely banjo. Correct, right? Who’s now on the connecticut westchester beat, i think something connecticut westchester, correct. Okay. You sometimes do a mention of the day what’s that about well, said someone who’s ah do gooder on dh it’s for people who have extraordinary passions and do unusual things. So for example, we’ve had a gentleman who ran for three days straight who’s raising money for multiple myeloma cancer research. We’ve had a teenager who, you know, collected a bunch of money through unicef, trick or treat they’re unisex trick or treat program. They had raised the most amount of money of any kids in the country, and that was up in connecticut. Um, these are for, you know, those air areas to talk about people’s philanthropic gifts without them being huge gifts and make for an unusual story and certainly a very charming story. So how do you like to be pitched? Email over phone what’s, your what’s, your preference about being pitched for doner of the day? I get pitches in all kinds of different forms, really off difference. Is there a way people? I’m sure people would rather give it to you in the form that you prefer. Um, actually don’t have a form that i prefer. What i really need to know is that the individual who is to be profiled is comfortable talking about the size of their gift. The quantity of their gift dollar value is always included, right? It’s a critical fact in the story. We are a paper that reports on transactions and these air philanthropy transactions. And so the amount of the gift is critical. Of course, it needs to be in a recent gift, and it needs to be news. Most of the stories that i do, in fact, ninety nine percent of the stories that i do our exclusive. So the story needs to come to us first. People need to be. The donor needs to be compelling. It needs to be someone who’s generous. Someone who deeply cares about what they’re giving to those are the best stories. Okay, do you take into consideration that for some charities ah, twenty five thousand dollar gift or forty thousand dollar gift, maybe very large. These they have to be, of course, gift in the millions. And, well, i mean, i think a twenty five thousand dollar gift to a major university is maybe not is proportionate gift. But to answer the question more broadly know there’s, not a threshold. Okay, it’s, really a question of is that it? Is that a meaningful gift to the organization? Okay, and what would you like to see in the in the pitch? What do you need to know? Initially, tio to determine whether you’d like to go ahead. Well, i need a sense of time if they want to do it tomorrow, then on di doo doo stories that, you know, happen tomorrow. There’s a story that i had to run today that will run on monday and it’s a very quick turnaround, so i don’t need a sense of time certainly need a sense of the amount of the gift, and i need a sense of who the person is. Okay? Oftentimes i’ll get a email where someone will say, well, i have this idea of someone who might want to do something and is usually nine times out of ten doesn’t come to fruition, so needs it pretty to be a pretty solid, okay, let’s, get the incumbent ones that air so kind of vague, right? What about the the idea of follow-up phone calling of some of somebody emails you a pitch and then follows up with a phone call to say, i just wanna make sure you got my email does that? There are some journalists who gets very turned off by that on don’t appreciate the double double contact. How do you feel about that? I tried to be friendly to everyone that calls very thoughtful. Okay. Okay. Okay. Calls a reasonable number of times a reasonable number. Okay. All right. Anything else you want to say about pitching? You know, just reach out to me by e mails at the bottom of every story online. So it should be pretty easy to get me, and they’re very easy to find just google melanie west or melanie grace west correct, g r a y, c and donor of the day and you’ll find many many columns donorsearch day. So since you’ve written the majority of the five hundred, you see some trends, no doubt what what’s what’s, something that you’re seeing happening more often seems my good trends, i think ok, you know, i’m seeing a lot more people acknowledging the need to give locally, um, people who have made their wealth in new york and in the region and who feel it’s their responsibility to support the city. Either they’re they’ve come here, they’ve come from here. There are many of them have been born in brooklyn, but they have a very good awareness that the need is great close to home. That isn’t to suggest that there aren’t a tremendous number. Of people who are giving to their alma mater, zand states away what it is to say that there’s this awareness that there is a need in the city and i think that we can partially thank mayor bloomberg for setting that trend and making that awareness known, especially among his friends and colleagues. Now should we point out that is going back to stories that are appropriate? That needs to be some metrical area connection once you make sure that’s clear well, the donor of the organization needs stay in the area, okay, new york, new jersey and connecticut correct nasco some connection with the charity or the donor, right? Well, the column runs in the greater new york sections, so we’re not reporting on what happened the california but the show’s hyre worldwide, so i just wantto make make sure that people know there’s got to be that new york, new jersey connecticut connection. Okay, aside from local giving, what else? What else you’re seeing it’s great for me again. People i think are choosing not to give anonymously. They’re choosing to set an example. They’re choosing teo, encourage their colleagues as well. I had a gentleman, who’s. A donor a couple months ago, and he gave a two million dollar gift to bridgeport hospital, which is in connecticut. And he said one of the reasons why he gave the gift is because he wanted to make, you know, set the example for for other people and basically, he said, if you know people look at me and say, hey, he could give two million i can do at least that much, um, and in this particular gift, the gentleman’s joel smile oh, ah, he had the cardiac unit named for him. And so i think naming gifts are also, you know, compelling to people. Come, you know, in so few words, he said that effectively, if i could have a named gift for two million prison that many of my neighbors can also have a similar gift. And that’s that’s pretty well known in fund-raising circles that we can get somebody to stand up at a gala let’s, say or identify themselves somehow and say i did it in fact, in board meetings. It’s sometimes used to i did it, and i’m challenging all of you to do it. Sounds like something similar to what? What? That? Gentleman, what jules was doing, joel and then jules kroll he’s a gentleman. Who’s made his his his million’s in global consulting and search of corporate security. Right hey gave a two million dollar gift to john jay college and he again wanted that to be a very public gift to inspire others to give to John jay and 2 other city university established. You know, the college is to grow their fund-raising profile as a place where, yes, you khun give gifts here. There’s another gentleman. I did a story on very recently. His name is henry van amorin. Gin it’s quite well known in the gay, lesbian and bisexual transgender community. He funds a lot of causes, and he gave a million dollars a million dollars to in the life media. And he never gives a name gift. He on lee it’s anonymously and the reason why he gave this gift it to your point is he wanted to inspire others to give. And it was a matching gift or a challenge gift. And do you find that is usually the charity that encourages the person to step out of anonymity? Or is it the donor thinking of it on their own. I don’t think the charity concert i don’t think the charity could be persuasive enough teo, to get someone who would give anonymously to suddenly put their name to it. I think the individual wants to do it, you know? Arika dahna i mean, i could see a charity trying push because they’d like to motivate the same similar gift, and we have just about a minute before a break, you have your seeing something in terms of gift being split up, split gift. Yeah, i think this is a good idea. Trend there. Some donors that i’ve spoken with have decided, especially for college endowments, to give a gift that, you know, may endow a chair but also to give a gift a tte the same time. Two scholarships. So something that could be used in some in the president in something that is a future gift that the university can drawn. Okay, so seeing okay current and then planned gifts or deferred endowment type gif ts corrects here together. Right? Right. Okay. All right. Well, we’ll take it. We’ll take a break there and when we return, melanie west will stay with me. Doi end of the day. Andi. I hope you do, too. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. M call in for a free second reading. Learn how to tune into your intuition to feel better and to create your optimum life. I’m here to guide you and to assist you in creating life that you deserve. 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This is tony martignetti, aptly named host of tony martignetti non-profit radio. Big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Technology fund-raising compliance. Social media, small and medium non-profits have needs in all these areas. My guests are expert in all these areas and mohr. Tony martignetti non-profit radio friday’s one to two eastern on talking alternative broadcasting. Talking. Oppcoll welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. Melanie west writes the donor of the day column for the wall street journal she’s with us, but she doesn’t only write the donor of the day column. Just yesterday, she had a piece on howard buffett, son of the very well known philanthropist and billionaire what’s what’s happening in the buffet family melanie that you covered yesterday? Well, i had the great opportunity to visit mr buffett on his farm in the middle of illinois beautiful part of the country and ride in his tractor as we work the fields for a little bit. All right already. I have to stop you. I’m sorry, but his his tractor has gps e well, i mean, this isn’t just your regular old puffing plaque smoke tractor, though they did start out with that was a pretty sophisticated piece of equipment, it’s, more like what i would call like a robot, a giant farm robot, but i read gps in a tractor and initially wondered why you need gps isn’t is an attractive, pretty much just up and down the rows. Why is there a gps in attractive it’s harder? Than you think. My over our new yorker is oversimplifying. Don’t you need gps when you travel out of the city? I do. But how far does he think his tractor he’s got quite a bit of land and it actually speeds to process out. So it’s yeah, we got it back and forth, it’s more than just back and forth. There is some technicality to it, and you want to plant a rose straight if you don’t, you’re gonna have a messed up crop. Okay? I just envisioned a lot of turn left. No, no, no, no. It does it on its own. Oh, gods the tractor? Yes. Oh, oh, it sze more than just telling you how to go. Oh, absolutely. No, no, no, it’s. Not that kind of thing. It’s gps operated in the sense where it’s like not off by an inch. Oh, excellent. Okay. All right. That was a digression. Okay? Important one that didn’t come out this in detail. It did not come out in a story with sophistication of his gps. Actually drive. The tractor doesn’t just say turn left. Turn right. And it plots exactly where each seed gets dropped. I mean it’s really? Quite amazing. Okay, okay. So in the last few years, mr buffett has turned his attention to domestic hunger. As you know, his foundation. It’s, about a two hundred twenty five million dollar foundation, has primarily funded work in international developments. Howard buffett correct foundation correct. This’s, the middle son of the billionaire investor. Okay? And he in recent years decided that there was more he could do closer to home. For many years, he has supported things throughout decatur and illinois and nebraska local charities. But he has become more aware that hunger has a different look than what we might think of it. And in rural areas. It’s really quite quite an issue feeding america, the charity that mr buffett has partnered with reports that, you know, the greatest levels of food insecurity in the country are primarily in rural areas, not in urban areas. They’re statistic is fifty five percent. So with this, he looked closer to home, began doing more research he funded with feeding america giant map called i think it’s called bridge the meal gap for the meal gap. And it basically takes a county by county approach of where hunger is. In america, and he funded that project with some other partners based on that, he decided he could do more. And for the last few years, he’s been thinking about a project that would directly get farmers invested in hunger in their community. Now, in rural areas, you have to think about it, you know, who are the who are the leaders in rural areas and is very much the farmers on dh. So if they got together and they work together, how could they raise money to give closer to home? And this was his problem and something that he solved. And so on thursday of this week, he announced a plan in partnership with adm. Archer daniel with daniels midland to create a program where farmers give a portion of their crop to feeding america. Archer daniels midland very big agribusiness, correct company. So what a farmer does is he has nine hundred fifty bushels in a semi tractor trailer. They roll up into archer daniels midland. The company asked, how much of that do you want to give to charity? We can give a bushel. They could give no bushels. They can give a hundred fifty bushels. And what happens is the amount of money for that bushel goes back to the organization, so so we’re not donating. There were some comments to your yeah, that suggested that the raw corn was being donated to food hunger program, yeah, hungry people provoc corn no it’s very bad for the teeth for everybody unless you’re gonna pop it. But it’s not a balanced meal, so the proceeds of the amount that they designate that was in the article. Okay, so but i can’t help it if people didn’t read carefully, it is a confusing idea because i think people think that there’s going to be farmers who are giving food, and that is actually a secondary portion of it which was not covered in the article is he wants to encourage those people, too. If you’re going to give money and you’re going to donate some of the proceeds from your crop, why not within the gardens and lands that you have grow a little food and donate that to the food bank as well? So he in one of his plots of land is actually growing corn for the food bank indicator and he’s gonna, you know at harvest time, roll up with a bunch of sweet corn. And the, um the money is going to be donated to the peach farmers. Local correct local food program say little about that. Right? So feeding america has about has two hundred to food banks in the country. Fifty three of those food banks directly service rural populations. So the gift in what the farmers air donating will benefit those fifty three food banks. So it is staying in their community and that’s very, very compelling for the farmers. That is a key component to getting them to donate stays local. Correct. Not unlike what melanie schnoll begun. My first guy? Yes. I was talking about that there’s. An interest in giving people are interested in giving locally. They want to see local impact on this is called invest in acre co-branded. Okay. And so all of the programme materials should be live now and online. And i believe it’s, invest in acre dot or ge ah it’s being primarily funded and driven by the howard g buffett foundation. Okay. And there again that you are always invest an acre dot org’s, i believe. All right. Melanie melanie west. Thank you very much for being a guest. Thank you very much. It’s been a pleasure. Melanie west writes the donor of a column for the wall street journal and covers the philanthropy beat there. My thanks also to melanie schnoll begun for being with me and her assistant saraya for all her help next week, get monthly givers. Bob wesolowski, the president of caring habits, helps you get habitual monthly donors through electronic funds. 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Welcome to the show, this is tony martignetti non-profit radio, and i’m your aptly named host. We’re always talking about big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent help you were with me last week when i had a conversation with ken berger, president and ceo of charity navigator ken came on the show and announced charity navigator three point oh, we talked about the directions that cnn would like to move non-profits toward and how it’s inducing them to get there this week, the morning after the big event, three guests explain how best to follow-up your events and why it’s important to include follow-up plans in your pre event preparations. This is the first of my interviews from the exhibit floor at the fund-raising day conference in new york city last month. Then the e-giving yusa two thousand eleven report holly hall, features editor for the chronicle of philanthropy, will be with me to talk about her concerns from last year’s report and whether they’re answered in this year’s. This is a follow up to our discussion a few weeks ago on the show, then i’ll be joined by bob evans from the reports editorial board and he’ll share some important conclusions. Fromthe e-giving yusa two thousand eleven report in between the guests. As always, tony’s take two at roughly thirty two minutes into the hour. This month is the one year anniversary of the show, and we’re bringing on some regular monthly contributors, a team for legal compliance and a prospect research guru. I’ll introduce you to them on tony’s, take two. Also, if you’ve heard me speak and liked what you heard, that i’m going to ask for your help, both of those on tony’s take two in between today’s guests. Right now, we’ll take a break, and when we return, it’ll be the morning after the big event. E-giving didn’t think the ending the ending, depending. You’re listening to the talking alternate network e-giving. E-giving cubine. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Buy-in are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics politically expressed. 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Tara sloane is principal of marketing matters limited, and jessica weber is the principle of jessica weber design incorporated. Ladies welcome murcott so let’s, start with you what hyre what? What can we do to extend the reach of events after the event is over? Well, i think there’s some sort of standard practices that we all think of as being kind of businesses, usual things, like remembering to thank our attendees after the event and one of the things that we suggested this morning is that it’s particularly useful if in that, thank you, you’re making sure that you’re still talking about the mission of your organization and that you’re extending the feel of the event and reiterating for people why they came to the event and what it was about, and we found in particular at the emlyn that one of the effective ways to do that is if you include a link to back to the website or to say there were pictures of the event to make sure that people have a reason to come back and look again at what you’re doing with these. Are you sending that? Thank you? Buy paper mail and also by email. So the link is wait, do about okay, terra is there a suggestion you’d liketo open with for extending the reach of events? Speak a lot closer, please. I think one of things we talked about is how important the pre planning for the post event is meaning planning in advance of the event. Who will do what? When the event is over. And while that’s often thought of as a boring task, it’s one of the most important it sounds like something that typically gets for gotten in planning for the event. Is that it’s? Not only for gotten but when it’s remembered the thought is, oh, we should have done this weeks ago. How could we have left this for you? Because the day after, people are excited about about what just occurred there, patting themselves on the bath about the event, but they’re not necessarily ready. Teo gear up the energy required for post event. So if the pieces have put into place before hand, they’re able it works much more successfully. Thank you. And jessica, what advice would you like to open with for extending the reach of events? Well, basically, we have a design from that only works in the not-for-profits sector. We encourage our clients to create brochures talking about their mission that are included in the event material and after the event, when lisa sends out a thank you letter to her attendees that she include a small brochure on the organization and some giving pieces so that the e-giving opportunity keeps going on after the events over really so it’s appropriate to include a solicitation material in the thank you for coming sometimes it is absolute terror is nodding. Also, please support it’s definitely important and it’s it’s really critical because we would assert that events are not just about the event it’s about building a relationship with all of the people who attended the event. So one of the ways in which which you build the relationship is immediate communication, post event and inviting. Them to support the great cause that they attended the event. Ok. And lisa, in your work with ml in you don’t get objections to solicitation material it’s included in the in the thank you for coming, we’re actually i think it is organization specific, and we’re a little sneaky about it. Good. Well, let’s, talk about it on dh. What we do is our event is near the beginning of our season. We have our event big event in october, which is the beginning of the m ellen’s performing arts season, so our thank you asks them to come to the theater when they come to the theatre, we asked them to give money so rather than including the asked directly in the thank you, we know that we’re going to have other opportunities to continue to build. That relationship is, tara says on one of the ways we want to build that relationship is to encourage them to be at the theater often. Okay, so, tara, let me ask you the same question that since you’re advocating this, your clients are not getting objections to solicitation material sent in the thank you, i think, if if it is done tactfully it works on clients are not objecting and remember that many of the people who are attending the events are guests of other people so they may not have. They may not have necessarily made a contribution yet individually, so this gives them the opportunity to just get sound like you want to say something about doing this tactfully, inappropriately, and another way of doing that is also to send out a newsletter a month or two after the event, to all the attendees with pictures of the event and talking about it so that you start to capture a family of friends it’s really important when you have an event to capture the people who are there to make friends for life, and by doing a newsletter every three or four months, it gets that across, and we also include e-giving envelope in the news, all right, but let’s talk a little more detail about that that first thank you that they get afterwards doing that, including a solicitation in that and doing it tactfully, appropriately what’s your advice for for that first communication after the event, well, usually the development director of the executive director will send a personal note thanking them for their attendance and personally signed, never a mass mailing. Absolutely even if there’s seven hundred fifty people, even if they’re seven hundred, the waldorf seven, because basically, how often do you get astounded when you actually get a hand written letter with a stamp on it these days? You know, it kind of knocks you out because everything is pre printed, so that little personal note with a real stamp means a lot to donors, okay? And about a terrible i just would like to suggest that one way to do a mass email let’s, say and make it meaningful is to give the guests of the event ideas ways in which the funds will be used. So talk to talk about the specifics, programmatic elements of the agency and let so in other words, for so and so amount of money you are contributing to support this cause, they’re program that we have for the next level, this is what you’re so that really makes it more personal and compelling beyond that would be something that they get right after the event terror right after the event, ok? 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Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com lisa, are you spending any time at the event preparing attendees for the follow-up that that the theater is going to send? Well, we make because it is the beginning of our season, a big part of what i speak about it. The event is what’s going to happen at the theater over the coming months, so they know that they’re going that we want time to attend, but also that we need their support to make those events happen. And so there is a kind of, um, nuanced, i guess, you know, sort, subtle pitch to say to people that this this kind of work which is meaningful in our community doesn’t happen unless we have your support, and so part of your support is coming to the gala, but the next part of your support is attending the events and and picking some of these very specific projects. So, for example, last year, the theater needed a new protector because we have a film siri’s and saying to the gal audience, you can help, and this will make a real difference in how we can deliver our programs. Jessica, do you have advice on that about the same? Question i asked lisa preparing people at the event for the follow-up that’s that’s going to come? Wait do advise our clients were basically a design from we’re not a development firm so good. So that it’s usually our development director that will tell us what they need created to soon? Yes, in terms of design of the of the evening. Exactly. Did you have something, please? Yeah, so i just like to add that part of what i was, what i was opening with a minute ago was the idea of how the pre event planning, how important it is, and by working with the event committee and the board in advance of the event to determine what next steps might occur. For example, we might have a parlor events at so and so’s home planting, planning and then planting the seeds for those events at the main event. So in other words, tony, you’re you know, we’re going to invite you in a few weeks to join a mission coming to learn more, and it could be learned more about the agency or it could be we’re going to give you more value because we’re going to deliver. Some content that’s relevant to the mission of the organization, you’ll be interested in hearing this. I’m gonna shift a little bit what’s your advice, anybody about a situation where you have, uh, chair of an event, and i’m now i’m thinking bigger event, not like you were just talking about lisa tower, maybe a parlor event, but something larger and really all the all that chair is willing to do is share their vendor list and show up that night and share the event they’re not motivated around all the planning and to are to the point of your seminar, the post event work. Anybody have advice for that? Working with difficult chair who has to be the chair? Well, i think in the m ellen’s case, what we try to do is build a strong committee, so that because it certainly does happen that there are sometimes prominent people who are for one reason and others selected to chair an event who either are unwilling or unable just to spare the time to do the kind of rigorous, detail oriented work that needs to be done. And so we find a larger committee who will commit themselves to that kind of detail work that’s also the work of the board, frankly, so we prepare our board to say, you know, part of their job is to go to the gala and have fun, but another part of it is that they’re out talking to people about what we’re doing, and i think another way you can think about that is when, for example, of boardmember is engaged with someone who says, i really like the dance siri’s at the emblen one of the things that boardmember is doing is cultivating that person as a donor, coming back to the staff, coming back to the board and saying, you know, joe told me he really likes the dance siri’s, how do we make sure that joe’s engaged in the dance siri’s so there’s lots. I think there are lots of ambassadors, and the chair is a very visible ambassador, but not the only ambassador. Actually, we’re going to that. Come back to the committee in a second with lisa reilly, tara sloan and jessica weber. We’re talking about their seminar at at fund-raising day two thousand eleven, which is the morning after the big event. Let’s talk more about the committee the committee is critical. Jessica, what did you want to add to the sum a committee? It is critical to helping the organization get the event off the ground, whether it be working with the auction, the silent auction, even when we designed all the graphics there’s, always someone on the committee who we work with to make sure that the designs we create reflect the evening and each i mean, i’ve sat personally on many committees and it’s imperative that you get a really active goodcompany he’s. So let’s talk about that who’s best to talk about recruiting the right committee, who wants to go ahead. So in terms of the right committee, i would assert that it’s really important to have people who represent the different target segments of your population. So whether that’s from a geography standpoint, you have people on the committee who represent different geography is or you have people who are different ages representing different prospects and current supporters that you really think through, make sure the committee is representative of the people you want the agency to read, to be able to reach out to, okay and understanding at the same time with respect what lisa said, that they may be supplementing a chair who’s unable or unwilling to do a lot of the heavy lifting. Yes. And in addition, while there is often one share, there are ways in which to have journal chairs or committee chairs so that you’re giving that chair roll to more than one person, particularly in the situation where thie it may be that one of the chairs is in name only since the topic of your seminar is extending the reach of the event let’s switch to ah smaller event may be it is a parlor event elearning half a dozen or a dozen couples in someone’s home is the is extending the reach of that event different than the larger seven hundred fifty people in the waldorf. This aria is there. Is there more any more personal approach? Because it was an event with just twelve or twenty twenty people. How do we, uh, how do we follow-up to those smaller, more intimate events? So i think the smaller events you have fewer people to connect with and you have a more personal experience and more of a one on one with the people who attended so it’s very easy to pick up the phone so a phone call and find out what it was interesting to the guest about the organization and what they’re interested in going forward learning, knowing, supporting, okay, but doing it by phone. Lisa does emelin host small events like that? We do have some smaller events, and in one sense every performance that we hosted the theater is a smaller event, and one of the things that we found is very important at the theatre is that someone either myself or one of the board members welcomes thie audience on dh makes a real pitch for people to be actively engaged, whether that’s e-giving time or money or bringing coming to another event. I think one of the challenges in a small organization is people sometimes are a little hesitant to make the ask and sort of closed the loop. And to me, when you say, you know, what’s, the difference between a big event and a small event at our smaller events, the real challenge is to make sure that we have said very specifically we need you and we need you to give and we need your time and that can feel difficulty in a smaller room than in a bigger room. But it’s absolutely the reason tohave a smaller event and making sure that that actually happens both at the event and after the event, and plus the people you invite to those smaller events are typically more committed, or and maybe you’re asking them to bring someone who doesn’t know the organization very well, and that might that might be a strategy for broadening the reach, right, it’s all about personal relation in ship. So if the person who invited them is a dear friend or family member, they are more likely to be very positive. Lee predisposed to getting a phone call or personal touch from the director of the organization who their loved one cares very much about jessica. Thanks, tara. What about use of social media? Can you can you talk? I know you know you’re work is designing the event. What are you thinking about using social media in extending the events? Reach? It really depends on the size of the organization and if they can, in fact support social media, we have larger clients who have someone completely. Devoted to it, who’s writing the block whose our problem is that if an organization doesn’t have the manpower to support it, there’s nothing worse than going and seeing a block with six months old right here. This is a lot of apologies were sorry for not blogging sooner. More and more recently, for junior committees, i think social networking is fabulous when some of our groups are clients have junior committees and junior memberships, they social media is the way to go to connect for them and most of their invitations or invites great since you you please dara. Increasingly, i think facebook is a must have for an event and the earlier that you get the facebook page live and the more people that you can get to friend the page, the more valuable it is and it’s interesting, because just a few years ago i didn’t even exist, you know, now we’re having a contest. We’re giving away three ipads outsourced to ipads at three thirty, so if you each like the facebook page before you leave, which were set up to do right here, you can join the contest. He’s a younger events jessica raised that elisa, are you are you cultivating people in their twenties and say up to mid thirties and emily very much we are, i think that that’s ah difficulty audience for performing arts organizations in particular, tio teo, particularly the suburbs, perhaps to garner there are very they certainly are very different about how they engage with social media and print media. Where, just tell us, where is the evelyn theater? We’re in westchester, so we’re just north of new york city in a town called mamaroneck. Wait for it all that’s, not it’s, not upstate new york it’s not upstate, but it is not below fourteenth street. People from the city think of it as a lot of people from the city think of his upstate. I live in the city, but i don’t think of that, all right? So younger people in the suburbs not so much coming out for theatre, not so much to a performing arts centers. They i think there’s a different way that younger people engaged with the arts. They are more likely, for example, to go to a club somewhere where they can move and dance and interact as opposed to sitting in a seat and watching something happened, andi that’s not just true in the suburbs that’s if you look at places like the ninety second street y here in the city, you’ll see that they’re discounts for younger attendees because it is a challenge to get people below a certain age to engage in that particular format. Andi, i think they’re uneven. Bigger challenge, frankly, to engage in your fundraising efforts. Your work is designing events. Let’s, talk about designing events, jessica for people in their twenties. What do your thoughts there? Well, we just did something that was a skating thing in woman woman drink it was very successful. It was for one of our clients who only wanted to reach out to thirty and unders, and we didn’t even fight. There was facebook page and it was very well attended. It was a way of getting younger new yorkers to get involved with in this case is the new york city police foundation, and slowly, we’re hoping that the organization will nurture them so that they’ll become bigger and bigger contributors, and most of the time these events are not very expensive two hundred fifty dollars or less, they invite their friends and it’s, a way of store getting them into become donors, you know, it’s, a way of educating them. So one. One of the things that we think about do is that building thie relationships is all about building a tribe of people who care goldenburg tribe and the so to build that younger tribe, you need a few key younger people who care about the organization and reaching them. And identifying them is a one on one conversation. Jessica weber, lisa reilly and tara sloane there. Seminar topic was the morning after the big event. I want to thank you very much for joining tony martignetti non-profit radio coverage of the fund-raising day conference two thousand eleven. Ladies, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics, politically expressed hi and montgomery taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. 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Coming on now is holly hol. Holly is features editor for the chronicle of philanthropy, welcoming her back to the show. Holly welcome back, pleasure to have you thank you. Glad to be here. Thanks. We’re talking about the e-giving yusa two thousand eleven report. So just to recap from your last appearance on this show in in june, there were some concerns we talked about from the two thousand ten report, which was on two thousand nine’s e-giving can you just recap a little bit? Yes, e-giving you say estimated that individual e-giving help study in two thousand nine and declined overall for total giving by all sources by just a small percentage point. And we thought that that was a little suspicious given our calls all over the country, showing much steeper declines in two thousand eight and nine. Okay, so this year, giving us a came out and has revised figures for, oh eight and nine and so now they’re reporting a cumulative thirteen point two percent drop in a way, and nine cumulative droppin await no nine. And how much of a drop from oh eight. Two o nine. Because that was the that was the two thousand ten report on two thousand nine giving. So what was the well? Okay, it was there now saying in a six point two percent down adjusted for inflation and no nine and another seven percent down in eight that’s a cumulative thirteen point two percent. Okay, it was the steepest drop in the fifty six, um year old survey. Okay, so it’s saying that e-giving is not quite as resilient as we thought in in a recession or in a battle bad economic time generally that’s, right? Ok, because the belief had been that it was quite resilient. But then how does that compare to the to the downturn? Let’s? Say, in the dow or, you know, in another stock into season. It’s. Not as bad as that that’s. True. First of all, i think we all have to keep in mind these air. Just estimate. And we may never know how much e-giving fell. But it is. Nice to see that that these figures have been adjusted to be more in line with what many organizations experience during the recession on, and it wasn’t just your chronicle philanthropies research, but there were other organisations as well that we’re saying that e-giving had declined considerably from a wayto nine yes, sir been several studies that show that on the council for aid education found a steep drop e-giving colleges and universities, thie association for health care philantech be found a double digit decrease e-giving um and ironically, the shevawn philantech rezone research wealthy individuals found that the wealthy decrease their giving by large margins as well. There was also concerned because two advisers to e-giving yusa, professors service and havens, schervish and havens i had questioned the two thousand ten report after they did some of their own research on two thousand nine giving we talked about this a couple of weeks ago you and i and they had factored in consumer confidence and unemployment have you seen any change in the methodology? It’s giving us a tow to factor in variables like that? Yeah, state. It’d make a change to look at patterns of personal consumption. I asked them why they didn’t use consumer confidence, and they said that they would much rather look at actual spending rather than confident. They thought that a better measure, okay, and how about unemployment and any measure of that variable? They didn’t look at that, okay, are they not o k now, we didn’t invite someone from giving us a talk about the methodology of the report, and they weren’t able to do that on. We do have bob evans coming, but he’s going to talk about the editorial side of the report, not the methodology side he’ll be on shortly. Holly, were there other things that you were looking for in this year’s report on? Did you find them just the correction? They now show that giving in twenty ten increased by about two percent. But that’s it still far from making up for the thirteen over thirteen percent drop that was found for the two years of recession? Sure, but we’re still not back to where we were. Another interesting thing about the survey is they showed that corporate giving corporate support went up, and that does not really but dive with what we hear anecdotally, and it totally. Corporate giving is very challenging for many groups, and they still haven’t recovered losses that they endured during the recession years. One possible explanation for that. Maybe that companies are donating more products. In-kind donations. Non-cash. Okay, e-giving in different ways, in-kind and maybe volunteerism to, i think, is one of the conclusions than cash. Holly. We have to leave it there. I want to thank you very much for summarizing and coming back on the show and following up, thank you very much. Thank you, tony pleasure. Holly halls, the features editor at the chronicle of philanthropy with me now is bob evans. Bob is founder and managing director of the hl consulting group, but he’s here in his capacity as a member of the editorial review board of giving yusa bob evans welcome to the show. Good morning, pleasure with pleasure to have you. Thank you, thanks for joining us. E-giving yusa has ten pretty pretty firm conclusions based on it’s ah, it’s research. Why don’t you just remind the audience what the methodology is, what the process is generally behind e-giving yusa and then we’ll get into a couple of these conclusions that you have e-giving us favorite. Very. Data from a variety of sources, including the i r s and and it would be a reflection of friends in america in every nation. Lovely, elegant about general figures, a revised and additional agents and data that the irs from for-profit filing vigils and patient foundation. But accurate. Careful analysis, general. In fact, bob bob, i’m going to interrupt you. Would you would you mind hanging up, please, and calling right back? We have awful connection. Okay, thank you very much. This is bob evans, he’s on the editorial board of the e-giving yusa report and he’s, unfortunately, cutting out kind of badly, he was saying that it is an annual report and it is revised twice. So azali hall pointed out the the each report is an estimate. So we want to be fair to giving yusa recognizing each report is an estimate, and then they do revise their numbers. Twice after the initial report, a cz bob evans was saying, bob, you back with us? Okay? I’m hoping we have a better connection. Let’s move to some of the conclusions about e-giving one of those is that americans remained generous in difficult economic times. What? What? What? Leads the e-giving usa and e-giving institute, the sponsors of the over report. Teo, conclude that even though it’s been a great fashion over the last several years, america funded credibly, where there were hills forgiving and kills for make failed at all of this. Bob, but i’ll tell you what way have awful connection. You’re just, you’re not coming through again, out let’s, do this. We’re gonna take a quick break. The producer will call you and give you some some advice about how may we can improve this. So so why did you hang up? We’re going to take a break, and when we return, it’ll be bob evans talking about giving yusa two thousand eleven report stay with us. I didn’t think that shooting the good ending things, you’re listening to the talking, alternate network duitz get in. I think. 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Americans have never shied away from giving to legitimate non-profits across united states and in fact, across the globe, uh, two hundred ninety one billion dollars were restricted to non-profits during two thousand him according to the giving us a report. And even though that’s a slight uptick from what was deceived or reprogram reported both in two thousand eight and two thousand nine, this is a great testimonial, two american generosity, no other country, no other group of people anywhere on the planet given generously give us frequently and give us passionately as what has been the result over the last year. And i think this is something that is to be highlighted e-giving is a certain it is certainly an important part of the us economy and i respond. People respond when called upon. And where there is a n’importe need to balance, i think you heard holly hall. She was on just before you there was ah declined a thirteen percent roughly declined a cumulative decline in two thousand eight in two thousand nine because of the recession, i have admitted, you know, that there’s a, uh, impact on the economy that does reflect in terms of e-giving but still e-giving was very serious component of the us economy, and that will not vanish. Another conclusion is that planned e-giving must and that’s that’s the reports word must be incorporated into fund-raising plant e-giving of course, the long term giving through wills and charitable trusts, charitable annuities? Why does the report conclude that plan giving is so important approximately eight percent of all giving in america? I came from the plant giving or the quest in two thousand ten, so we’re talking about twenty three billion dollars worth of, uh, support for non-profits this is more than corporate giving and is very serious effort, especially as baby boomers are aging and as americans are aging, that one of the things that were saying to non-profits across america is that you must incorporate a plan e-giving component into your fund-raising master plan if you’re not concern cering plans giving, you are really going to be left out in the er the wild, because this is such an important part of activity. But now the colleges and universities of america have really been working the baby boomer population and it’s starting to pay off handsomely for them in the form of a request. Okay, that eight percent figure that you cited that’s eight percent of total giving or eight percent of the individual giving number it’s eight percent of all giving in america. Okay, and i think these first two conclusions that we’re talking about that americans as individuals remain generous on dh, that plan giving must be incorporated, that that points to the importance of individual giving. And in fact, when one of the things that we say is that eighty, eighty seven percent of all giving in america truly comes from individuals living in bed because a certain percentage of foundation giving and be attributed to individuals and a certain percentage of corporate e-giving can be attributed individual, and you’re able to tease that out in the reports and for us, yeah, yeah. So that’s the week day, eighty seven percent of all giving comes from individuals living in bed. Okay? And that includes the foundation and corporate support that individuals are responsible for definitely a component of corporate giving and a component of foundation giving indefinitely, and the foundation support was not reduced as much as foundations had threatened or thought would be the case. We had expected much deeper cuts by federation by foundations in two thousand ten, primarily because foundation many foundations, especially large one stepped up during the great profession with larger than expected support for non-profit projects and causes uh, because most foundations use a three, four or five year rolling average in terms of return on their principal, we had expected much deeper decline from foundations. But thankfully, wall street cooperated and the portfolios of foundations uh, we were able to recover very significantly from the downturns of two thousand eight and nine. So the non-profit world on received much stronger support than we would have projected. I think that this will be a question mark that also will continue for another year or two as foundation portfolio. Try to recover what they had lost during the great recession what’s. The proportion of total giving that foundation support contributes foundation support his response for forty one billion dollars, or about fourteen percent of the pie for two thousand ten. And just curious. How does that compare with corporate support? Corporate support is only five. Okay, so that it that again, when you add individual giving, which seventy three percent request e-giving which is eight percent foundations fourteen percent in corporate at five, one hundred percent, you know? And we have just about a minute and a half before we have to close arts and culture giving so increases. What can you tell us about that? I think culture go up and down like a yo yo, especially because of very large e-giving both from individuals, dam’s foundations. In two thousand ten, our cultures saw a larger piece of the pie. Five for them was four percent. And we think this is a good sign about future support for the arts in america. But that increase was due to some, i guess, a few very large gifts. So there’s. Very, very large. Uh, which is also what impact this category of the ten categories. All right, so so that may mean for most arts and culture organizations, unless they were among the few who got some of these large gifts. They may not be feeling that that increase that’s, right, but it’s been is a mentality here is that we believe has turned around, and we’re especially optimistic and are telling that our clients that they have to work harder and ah, very directly with donors at all levels but were especially out to think about that category. Bob evans is founder, managing director of the e e h l consulting group, and he was sharing his expertise a za member of the editorial review board of giving yusa bob, thank you very much for your time. My pleasure, it’s been a pleasure having you i want to thank lisa reilly, tara sloan and jessica weber from fund-raising day two thousand eleven on dh, letting us replay that interview from from june and also, of course, holly hall from the chronicle of philanthropy and bob evans from the editorial review board of giving yusa next week. Partnerships, joint ventures, mergers and acquisitions sandra lamb of lamb advisers talks about collaborations of all kinds between non-profits when are they? Write for you when should your board be talking about? Um, how do you decide what organizations to collaborate with and what’s the process, then engaging generations x? And why leslie goldman and casey rotter from the us fund for unicef share their expertise in this area. They are both in those generations, but i did not ask their ages all of next week’s guests were recorded at the fund-raising day conference in new york city last month, and in the coming weeks i’ll have even more of those conversations from fund-raising day you can keep up with what’s coming up by signing up for our insider email alerts, go to the facebook page, facebook, dot com and then the name of this show sign up there for the alerts and, like us, become a fan of the show, you can listen to the show anytime on the device of your choice by subscribing on itunes, and you’ll find our itunes paige at non-profit radio dot net, the creative producer of tony martignetti non-profit radio is clear meyerhoff today’s line producer and the owner of talking alternative broadcasting is sam liebowitz. Our social media is by regina walton of organic social media. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio for july eighth, two thousand eleven. 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