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Tony Martignetti, host of Nonprofit Radio & principal at Martignetti Planned Giving Advisors, LLC.
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Dr. Robert Penna, author of “The Nonprofit Outcomes Toolbox.”
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121: Get Engaged III & Dutiful Documentation – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio
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Amy Sample Ward, membership director for NTEN and blogger at Stanford Social Innovation Review
Gene Takagi & Emily Chan of the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on december fourteenth, twenty twelve our november nine thousand you’re still with us, i’m tracking glad you’re still here, and i hope that everyone was with me last week. Yes, i just i just hope you were with me last week because if you weren’t, you would have missed show number one hundred and twenty one, twenty was last week. You can now spend five straight days listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio. I suggest you start on a weekend this way you have a little extra time for bathroom and food breaks. I would start maybe on a thursday and include the weekend i would include a weekend in your five straight days of listening to non-profit radio last week, which is the one you would finish with because that will be shown number one hundred twenty would wrap you up for five days was your database policy manual? Karen heart, philanthropic services specialist for the main community foundation, and nicole san miguel, database administrator for the naacp rat free library of baltimore city, walked you through data entry standards, indexing and search ability, naming conventions and other topics that belong in your database, policy and procedure manual. And it was also maria’s top ten maria semple, the prospect finder and our prospect research contributor, revealed the top ten sites that she uses in her work true to form for our doi and of dirt cheap. Most of the sites are free, and her list is now posted on the linked in group and the show’s facebook page this week get engaged three tray amy sample ward is our social media scientist. She continues her siri’s on online engagement with gold setting. How do you know if your engagement strategies they’re successful? We’ll talk about identifying goal areas, assigning metrics and measuring your success. Amy is membership director for the non-profit technology network and ten and contributes to the sand, stanford social innovation review and dutiful documentation. Jean takagi and emily chan are legal contributors from the non-profit and exempt organizations law group explain the irs rules on what should be in all those acknowledgements that you send for two thousand twelve and had a value some of those gif ts between the guests on tony’s take to my block this week. Is cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general? The new york a g wants to help you, and i distill their advice for your cause marketing campaigns. If you’re on twitter, you can follow the hashtag non-profit radio. My pleasure now to bring on amy sample ward she’s, a membership director attend ten, contributed to stanford social innovation review, co author of social by social, a handbook on using social technologies for social impact her blogger is amy sample, ward dot or ge and she’s at amy rs ward on twitter and unfortunately, she’s not in the studio today. Amy, how are you doing? I’m doing well, how are you? I’m very well you’re in portland, oregon, right eye and in portland this is where contends that main office is so i’m out here getting to me with staff in person for a little change of scenery and was actually onboarding a new staff person this week, which is always really fun. Okay, excellent. Our thoughts are with you in portland. A lot of talk about the shooting at the mall this week. Earlier this week. Yeah. Out at the crack of this small and now this morning. The shooting in connecticut, the elementary school so it’s, kind of, you know, end end times holiday season so far, very difficult, let’s talk about first an infographic that that i was sent i was offered people send me things too talk about on the show, and this one is interesting to me, and i thought you and i could talk about it. This is an infographic called very objectively titled how social media is destroying productivity. Andi, i sent it to you, of course, and you’ve had some time look at it, i will post a link to it on the facebook page on the linked in group. In the meantime, people confined this at learn stuff dot com um, you are ever learn stuff dot com all right? Well, so they’re clearly, you know, they’re concerned about productivity. Facebook has close to a billion users forty five. Forty five million short of a billion, but let’s call it a billion. People spend two times more time on facebook than they do exercising, you know, be a little provocative about i mean, they spend more time doing facebook than other things also, but they chose exercising wolber collectively each day in the u s people spend twelve billion hours on social networks. That’s interesting. A somebody who thinks about social networking a lot. Amy what? What do your do your thoughts about what you do? You have concerns about productivity? Well, i mean, for me, i think it’s i haven’t had a chance. Tio go look into their sources of where they got the data and what the data really means. You know, things like infographics are often so interesting to people and share a ble because they they could be interpreted in many different ways for me, i think it’s less, um, less a sign of of you now everyone and their mom wastes their time all day long and, you know, we’re we’re not doing any of our work, but more a sign of a distributed organization, a new era of the way people work. You know, people can quote unquote beyond the clock from anywhere so long as they have an internet connection and, you know, a lot the times and and looking at some of the staff in there, you know, that worker is interrupted every ten minutes by things like instant messages, right? Well i know that i’m quote unquote interrupted, you know, all the time, all day long, buy-in sametz itches, but that’s because i managed staff in other cities and instant messages, how we’re just saying, hey, i just tackled that one project or, hey, i saw that e mail come into both of us and i’ll take it or, you know, just kind of the way that you would work in person by just giving each other updates out loud. It’s now moving over two dozen messages, so it’s not necessarily cat videos, you know, and elearning youtube all day long, but it’s it’s, you know, it is technically an instant message, and and it is technically an interruption, but it gets the way you work now versus aah, total distraction and you know something? What i thought was interesting is that it’s list it was instead of being specific social websites to social networking, it categorizes things as time wasting websites and the number third number three, cnn dot com es o that right number twenty nine percent think i’m going to go to cnn because i want to just, like, chat with my friends, you know, like the way they kind of think about facebook being used that way, but for so many organizations, regardless of what your industry is staying on top of websites like cnn or other breaking news sources means your organization commend the the one that has the very first public statement about it. That student in connecticut this morning, as another elementary school, to be able to respond right away or, you know, whatever the kind of crisis our emergency communications may be, staying on top of, really, what we have as a objective world now, riel time, news and information means that organizations can get ahead of their competitors sabat and speak and be the one with the first announcement or be the ones that have the resources that the other news stations there now looking for etcetera, you know, again, it’s just a different way of working and not necessarily time wasting, you know, okay, andi also for our listeners, they’re they’re spending more time in the social networks because, well, i’d like to think in part because you and i talk about that, and we encourage people to use twitter and lengthen and facebook to the extent that it’s appropriate for them and, you know, all the things that we’ve talked about, everybody wasn’t everybody shouldn’t be jumping in, you know, you and i have been through that, and we’ll continue to teo explain it. No, yeah, i mean, i know organization, nonprofit organizations where a team, you know, a subset of the staff actually used private, you know, totally private facebook groups as the place where they are kind of doing teamviewer based product project management, you know, being able to say what’s going on every day and reporting to each other, etcetera, because it’s a tool that all of the people on that team are familiar with, they know how to use it, they like that email notifications in the back and forth. So instead of adopting a whole different project management tool that would be outside of any other tool there there regularly using, just use the facebook group and again, so that means they have facebook open all day, but they’re not necessarily just again, you know, posting cat videos to their friends facebook pages there, they’re using it for real time team communication. Okay, we’re gonna leave that there wanted to get your opinion on it. One thing i’ll close with is that the average college student spends three hours a day checking social sites, but what they don’t compare that is, too, the average number of hours a day that the the college students spend having sex buy-in i object that they left that out? I mean, i was a monk in college, but but there are lots of people spending a lot more than three hours a day at least having sex either with somebody or or alone, which for some people that’s a favorite weii just have a minute before a break. Amy sample ward, let’s see, we want to talk about our our engagement strategy, but really just have a minute or so we’re talking about goals. Do you have some congee? Just tease a little bit? How do you how do you start to set goals? And then you and i have a lot more time after the break. Sure, i mean first, if we’re going to a break, then i encourage everybody to go look upon their organization’s website and see what your mission statement and you actually have a theory of change, or if you don’t know what, that is just used the commercial break the good little theory of change opportunity, or pull up your organization’s active strategic plan, because that is really where you start when you’re going to create gold that apply to your social media, even though people would think they’re not, you know that high up and organizations chart of some sort. But really, you do start all the way your mission, or your strategic plan, or your theory of change. Okay, theory of change, or your strategic plan or your mission. You have homework for the break, and when we return, amy and i will keep talking about getting engaged online. Talking alternative radio twenty four hours a day. 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And curry, korea all live listener love going out tio are asian and mexican listeners, and we’ll get to the u s shortly. All right, amy, why is the right place to start with your strategic plan or your mission, or your your change theory? Well, in theory, not nothing that you are doing in your organization regardless of what department you’re in or what your job title is, nothing should should be extraneous from meeting your mission. The whole purpose of all of your staff, the reason that you have different departments, all of it should be to the end of meeting your mission, and when we that social media up as something that’s outside of that normal plan, then we’ve already set it up for first of all, other staff cannot really support it or, you know, to not have leadership for the board buy-in and that work because they don’t see it directly connected to the mission because it isn’t. But secondly, it also means that whoever it is that taft with that work isn’t able to set goals in the same kind of way, they don’t even see their own, you know, purpose for work as contributing to the organization in the same way. So not only do other people not buy-in and support it, but then the person that’s doing it themselves doesn’t see how they fit so outside of even what you do with the work, just setting up the contacts for that person and why they’re doing their job. You know, you either have an opportunity there for success or failure before you even start engaging. So so starting with your mission statement, you know, from there, you just work backwards look for the aspects of your mission that are focus on action and interaction, and then look for the parts that are social, the things that your community is able to contribute, too, and not just the aspects of your mission that, you know, require your staff policy maker or something. So so look for the opportunity where the community can be in and then require interaction, and then that’s where you actually set the gold specific to your social media or your community department now way learned a couple of weeks ago when you were on the last time that you have a real affinity for alligators. Actually, you’re a little scared of algiers, so we’re going to use save the alligators as our example eyes are hypothetical charity, okay, terrific, because because i know that’s something that you could buy into easily, of course, and also want listeners to know that this siri’s on getting engaged began october fifth if you want to catch the first part of it, and the second part was november sixteenth. So if we have our charities, objective is to save the alligators may be in the florida everglades, so not not worldwide, but just in florida in the everglades. There’s there’s terrific opportunity for outsiders to contribute to that in terms of awareness, maybe political advocacy, things like that, right? Okay, on dh and an organization, you know, or this organization that you and i have now founded called save the alligators provoc we probably have some sort of strategic plan or or we’re going to the whether we call it that or not, or something like a theory of change, which is more broad and says, this is how we see our mission coming, coming to fruition that says, you know, we see a few different ways that we’re going to save the alligators first is in the policy that support seven, and this is the kind of policy we’re going to work for it and the next is, you know, and this is where we’re going to create educational programs, so the public is no latto you’re scared of alligators or something, you know, so far down the line like that, you were goingto bucket out how we’re going to do this work, and from there we could say, oh, great, so there’s there’s a policy component of our of our mission? Well, in order for anyone to support a policy, they need to know about it. So a portion of the person’s job, the energy in our social media, they’re going to have a whole bucket, a goal of oppcoll and metrics and and work that’s focused on letting people know what that public policy proposal is understanding what it means getting. Involved probably recruited in their stories to help, you know the organizations public policy statement today if you can have community members saying, yes, we love our alligators, and this is, you know, how we’ve seen are so on the area destroyed and now hurting the alligators, i realized that all of this example shows how little i really know about alligators. Well, then, that’s a part of this person’s job and it’s no longer just yet tweet all the time about how we have a policy recommendation, but it’s so much more tangible because it helped change people’s minds about the policy recruit stories about this policy, etcetera, you know? So so you can translate directly from that mission all the way down to the buckets of actual content you’re posting every week. Okay? And how about some of the some of the advocacy, too? We want maybe people to write letters to editors and to bloggers we want to have people call or otherwise contact their state representatives things and so there’s a way we have our calls to action like we talked about last week, last month, exactly like last way said, you can’t just create a twitter account and start asking everybody to retweet you and take all of your calls action. But once you build up that community and you started building trust and engaging with people, then you can use the social tools to identify who those bloggers are that everybody listens to and reach out to them and say, great will you write the first the letter again showing that that you recognize them at the champion and influence there in the community? Will you write the first a letter and then other people will want to follow and participate, etcetera? Okay, okay, this is a good cause. And i appreciate that you want to be the co founder it’s a big step for you. That’s. A big step for you. All right. S o we’re so we clearly need to be, as you said, mission focused. Otherwise, there’s not going to be the support and the understanding of why were even engaged online. Why we even doing anything online before we moved to metrics? Anything more that you want to say about about creating the goals? No. I mean, i think, you know, a lot of people feel like well, you know we don’t have ah brand new strategic plan or we don’t have things laid out like this, but i really just i mean, we just showed with this very sophisticated organization that tony and i have just created called save the alligators, it really is that easy to move from a really high level, lofty mission statement, tangible work in in social engagements. So regardless of what your mission statement is or how it’s set up now, i really encourage all organizations to start from that place and don’t feel like, well, you are the organization that can you really can. And i just like that. If there’s ever than a challenge to why do we devote resource is it could be just a two person or three person shot, but why are we spending time on twitter and facebook? Because it’s a direct thes three threes direct correlations to our mission here, we’re trying to get join with advocacy. We’re trying to get awareness we’re trying to get public policy change, and this is how our social social engagement strategy supports each of those elements of our mission, right? Exactly, which is so much more empowering to that that person, but also to the whole organization, they can now translate for themselves how the person working in public policy can work with the person that’s doing the online engagement, and they could work together and not just, you know, separately in their own jobs, they could see how both of them need each other internally as well. Okay, let’s, move, teo metrics way want to start to measure these things? That’s that’s a substantial criticism of social networking that it’s not measurable. How do we know whether we’re succeeding, which we’ll get to, but but that’s what? You want to dispel all that? Right? Because it is measurable. Exactly. I mean, when you you know, a lot of organizations it’s really easy to track certain numbers because the different platform’s show them to you very prominently you goto a facebook page and now the really prominent number of how many people have liked that page well for you, almost every organization i’ve ever met that number isn’t the crucial number that you care about on your facebook page because if you have a thousand people that have become a fan of your page but none of them ever comment. Or share or even read what you post there, it might as well be xero people that like your page because no one would know. So making sure that that you go beyond just those really easy numbers toe look at, like, how many people are following you on twitter or whatever? And again, go back to those schools if we’re talking about state of the alligators, and we know that advocacy is a really important part and people actually taking that action way contract that let’s say, we want to see how many people yet wrote the letter, but how many people shared the letter of someone else, you know, way down that prominent blogger and asked them to write up a love letter to the very first letter, how many people commented on the letter that they wrote, so it doesn’t even have to be your facebook page, but but how many people are engaging with the advocacy appeals, whether you posted them or they’re the appeal you know, in your network, and that goes to all kinds of things, so not just you know how many people are liking or commenting on that letter, but how many? People have retweeted it how many people signed up on your website to stay in the loop on what’s going on on that advocacy appeal? So making sure that even though we’re thinking about this social engagement work as social media, quote unquote ah lot of these metrics don’t stay in that silo of facebook. If you’re doing a really great job on facebook, engaging people around an appeal, you also want to be just a the same time tracking how many people clicked to your website and signed up for the email to stay in the loop or how many people come from facebook to your website. And how long did they stay on the website? You know, looking at that that full circle from your your quote unquote home base, your website or your campaign page to social media and then teo material like emails or videos where it would be something there just consuming and back again. So how is that whole, you know, three part triangle connected and staying engaged throughout? Okay, how do we know what Numbers 22 start with if it’s a number of people who go overto comment on the on the letter. That was written over on the bloggers site let that was posted. How do we know what kinds of numbers to begin with? I mean, some some of the most basic that that all organizations can at least start tracking now to see if they know where they want to go next. What they’re tracking is so be tools specific as necessary. So was twitter, for example, you don’t just want to say how many people retweeted us this week. You want to say how many people retweeted our post that had a lincoln? Um, and how many p people retreated our posts that didn’t have a link, because as you you know, set yourself up to separate that content, you’re better able tto learn from the data, if you see after three weeks of tracking that you have fifty retweets every you know for posts that don’t have a link and you have to re tweets for your post that have a link. Well, that’s your community saying please stop posting links to your website. We just want to talk teo on twitter of or the invert you see, everyone wants to be sharing those links to your policy. Documents, but no one is retweeting you when you’re just sharing information, we’ll make sure that your frequently not always but frequently posting with the link so separate out the data as best you can, so that when you’re tracking it, you’re able tto learn from it and take action on it. And so that was a twitter example, but facebook another place where you can easily separate things out. Is it something that you posted because it had a photo or a video? Or was it something that was just a language or even just taxed? And how? How does your community respond to those things? So look at how many people viewed at term people commented how people shared it on dh then we can talk about more of the measuring and processes in a minute, but basically the best thing you could do is just to start tracking don’t say, well, we don’t have certain things in place yet or we haven’t finished creating this really great profile photos were not really using that page yet. You doesn’t matter just start tracking now because you’re not going to be able to make those informed decisions about what. To try next, or what kind of content to start creating until you’ve at least started tracking some things so you could say, gosh, no one interacts with our videos on facebook, let’s not invest in creating another video right now today, let’s try something else instead of feeling like you have to get all of that set up ahead of time. I mean, i just wanna let you know we’ll talk about measuring success next time we’ll have, we’ll have well haven’t get engaged part for because the metrics this metric section is really important. What about the the metrics that facebook gives you, like free, post like reach on a number of people who viewed and we have just like a minute and a half or so left are those are those of value? Yes, they really can be as far as measuring kinds of your post against each other so that you can say, you know, gosh, this one reached a whole lot more people than the one we posted yesterday. But there are so many variables to that built into facebook’s system, but also into you know, what day of the week was it and what? Time of the day wasn’t and did a lot of people like it right away, and so that then translated it, showing up in all of those people new season, then all of their friends interacting with it, you know? So there are so many variables in there that it’s hard to look at, it is just a static number, you know, a magical silver bullet of a data point, but it is helpful when you do sit down tto look between posts and say, gosh, what made this one reach so many more people? Well, then you can you don’t just say, well, i guess this post is a lot better, but it gives you the opportunity to say, this is the one that reached the most what was going on here that was different. Was it in a different time of day? What is it at, you know, a different day of the week, etcetera, okay? And you and use that information. But, you know, different organizations really focus in on different metrics, so some organizations rely on the talking about facebook metric and not because it’s better or worse than anything else, but they just picked it. And said, we’re just going to stick with it so that we’re sticking with one metric for now, others, they’re looking at reach, another aspect that impacts all of that facebook data. Is it you didn’t invest any money in promoting your post, we have to leave it there. We’re going to continue this subject next time amy is on show way will have her back. I wasn’t sure, but since she’s talking she’s talking about no, of course, we’ll have get engaged part for in january in january, amy alligator, that’s, right, save the alligators, you confined amy at her blawg, amy, sample, ward, dot or ge, and on twitter she’s at amy r s ward. Ah, that’s it at me, rs word. Amy, i hope you have productive meetings in portland. Thank you so much, all right, thank you. I hope you’ll be back in the studio in january. I certainly, well, excellent. Right now we’ll take a break, and when we come back, it’s, tony’s, take two, and then gene takagi and emily chan are legal contributors on dutiful documentation. 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My block this week is cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general cause marketing is when you team up with a company so that you raise money and they either sell stuff or they enhance their reputation or their image because they’re affiliated with your charity on dh there’s a lot of blurriness around this because a lot of people don’t really know how much money actually goes to the charity or how it’s determined how much is going to go. So the new york attorney general had some guidance five recommendations nufer i’ll just mention two of them here explain exactly what’s being donated. A lot of times you’ll see advertisements will say net proceeds to the charity we’ll net net of what? How do they define proceeds? Also after the campaign? Tell us all how much was raised. People want to know what the impact was, did they? Did they? Make a difference for you. So those are two of the five recommendations from the new york attorney general there’s more on my blogged at tony martignetti dot com the post is called cause marketing guidance from the new york attorney general, and i’m still asking for your help so many listeners. I’d be grateful if you’d rate and review the show in itunes rating is one to five stars you started our page on itunes, which you’ll find at non-profit radio dot net, or you could just search and then click view in itunes and itunes will open up and you’ll see a place for ratings and reviews. So it’s just a couple of clicks, i’d be grateful if you’d rate the show and write a short review and you do that night tunes and i’m very grateful for that. Thank you. And that is tony’s. Take two for friday, december fourteenth, the fifty first show of the year. Joining me now from san francisco. Jean takagi he’s, the principal of neo the non-profit and exempt organizations law group and he had it’s the popular non-profit law blogged dot com on twitter he is at gi tak g ta. K and also emily chan, who is an attorney at neo-sage principal contributor to the non-profit law block she’s the american bar association’s twenty twelve outstanding young non-profit lawyer, which is now coming to an end. I don’t know what she’s going to do in twenty thirteen shut the rest on morals from from the previous year, but so far that today that title’s title remains and you can follow emily on twitter at emily chan, jean and emily welcome hi, tony. Happy holidays. Hello. Thank you, emily. What you gonna do in twenty thirteen? You know, i’m not think reminding thinking about that. I’ll have to say she was last. Year’s american bar association. Outstanding. Young non-profit lawyer it’s it’s. Not the same laurel resting it’s. No. Good. We’re here to talk about documentation. How to get the right documentation and acknowledgements to your donors. But first, how to know what date the gift should be dated. Your your acknowledgement certainly has to have the date of gift gene let’s. Start with you. If if if a gift is a sent by mail us mail. What? What date do we does? The charity use for the date of gift? Well, the charity is probably going to use the postmark days, but the actual date that the don’t i get to take the deduction is the day that the donor dropped that envelope with a check in the mail box. So if it gets postmark the next day or january first, which is the next day, if they do dropped it off in december, thirty person gets post by january second. Donors have to form the charity that dropped it off. Oh, my gosh. Okay, gene, can you speak a little louder? Great. Uh, gene, can you speak a little louder for us? Yeah, absolutely. Tony so great question donors goingto take the deduction on the date. They drop it in the mailbox. But make sure that the charity knows that otherwise the charity’s gonna use the postmark date on the envelope on those could be different. That’s true. It’s. Okay, all right. And this becomes important as we’re talking about december thirty first versus january first or second when the when the gift is actually well, wouldn’t be open to probably january first. But it’s actually received and opened in the office january second or third. This becomes important. For those who wait till the last minute. Jean what about if it’s not received us mail, but it’s received by fedex because the person waited till the last minute or some other overnight service. Another great quest? Tony, don’t send last minute charitable donations through fedex if you’re trying to get a deduction in two thousand twelve because then that the charitable contribution will be deemed given when the fedex arrived and was received by the charity’s avectra steve january second that’s going to count of the two thousand thirteen death. Better to drop it in the mail that i sent it fedex on december thirty. Okay, excellent, excellent advice. And, of course, if gift his hand delivered, if somebody comes to your office, then that would be the day they handed over to you that’s. Right. Ok. Credit card donation. Same way is the day that that credit card is process. So the day that you give it, uh, okay. Well, wait now. Credit card processing, the date you you do the form online might not be the date that it actually gets to the gets to the charity and process. So how does that work? Well, it will be the day that it’s processed by the credit card companies. So it will usually be instantaneous. Okay. And would you use the date on your statement then? As the as the right date of gift watch? The donor’s probably gonna deduct it on the date that they made that charge. So yes, if they’ve got a receipt for it on december thirty first. That’s, the date you it might be different from the bank statement dated the bank takes a delay in processing. Take your receipt if you make that charitable contribution. Okay. You mean the credit card credit card receipt? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Emily let’s. Turn to you. Now, we now we’ve figured out how to know what date to put for the for the gift date. Let’s. Start with gifts of of cash. How do we appropriately acknowledge those for our donors? So, you and tony, tony, you and jane have already talked about some of the ways that you do. This is the donor. For example, looking at your bank records were having some kind of receipt that maybe automatically prints out. But when we start looking at gifts over two hundred fifty dollars, it’s important that the substantiation you have is something that actually comes from the organization. Um, and this is an irs rules, so again, default attacks mary-jo have a receipt for everything that you’re going to deduct, but when you’re looking at something over two hundred and fifty dollars, you need to make sure that the organization gives you some kind of written substantiation if you plan to take that deduction. And the funny part of this rule is that generally speaking, the organization isn’t required. Give that to you so again, as the donor is good to be informed of what you need and same thing with an organization and know what the donor needs, that you have good donorsearch right on dso our listeners are mostly the charities, so so over two hundred fifty dollars, they’re required to send an acknowledgement. No, they’re not required to something unknown judgment, but the donor is required to have one so it’s good donorsearch to put something in place for the organisation, that you’re able to issue out those in a timely manner and also with the most efficiency from the organization’s perspective, and the substantiation should say, you know what? You would expect, like, the amount of the contribution, but as well as whether that dahna received anything in return for the contribution. And if they did, how much they received a return. Okay, and we’ll get to that shortly. But also the date of the gift, right? You have to tell them, is not sufficient to just date your letter, but you have to give the date of the gift correct and it’s important to give that substantiation in what they consider a contemporaneous manner, which means before the end of the year of when the donor would make that deduction basically. Okay. Okay. Before so it before the end of twenty. Thirteen. You mean when they would claim the deduction? Is that what you mean? Right? Right. Okay. But of course, you want to do it before then, because there probably going to be filing their taxes by april fifteenth or october at the latest. Okay. All right. So now i wanna make sure i didn’t confuse listener. So two hundred fifty dollars, what’s the what’s, the what’s. The rule around two hundred fifty dollars, for two hundred fifty dollars, or more. The donor’s required to have a written substantiation from the organization the caveat here that was generally speaking, an organization isn’t required to issue one on we’ll get you an exception like he said in the seconds, but this is really important for organizations. No, not just look at what they’re required to do, but what would be a best practice to do, and it is the best practice as far as your donor issue, those, uh, received for them so that what your donor isn’t going to come back and say, hey, i tried to take the deduction that you never gave me this acknowledgement, and now i’m upset will never don’t you again, right? And of course, the really best wayto be thankful for gift and to express that is tio acknowledge every gift, even if it’s only five dollars? Yes, we would say so, but i don’t know that especially have it’s the hyre amount it’s even more important, we would say, because of this extra requirement from the irs. Okay, let’s, go teo publicly traded stock, and we’re not going toe listeners. We’re not going to talk about, um, privately held stock in privately held companies because it becomes very difficult of value. And things like that. But emily for a publicly traded stock first let’s define that. What do we mean by publicly traded? So this would begin stock that’s being treated openly on the market right now. So you would be able to look at the stock market and figure out how much it’s trading for at any given day or time. All right. And how do we acknowledge that kind of a gift? So this would be assuming that the organization is going teo, liquidate this right away, meaning that they’re also going to sell it. You’re going to treat it just like another contribution again? That could be tax deductible. So the organization is going to want to know again. Asshole of the donor. How much? That doctor’s words on the day that it’s given to the date of the gift. And basically the way that you do that. If you look at what it’s being chased out the high in the low and you take the average okay, excellent. Some people there’s some confusion. Sometimes people think it’s the value that the stock closed at on the day of the transfer. But that’s not right, it’s that average that you just explained if i can jump in it’s important to realize, though, that that’s going to be the donor’s responsibility to figure out what the deduction amount is. And the charity is giving those numbers just a matter of convenience for the donor and the donor’s tax advisor. So should there be some little caveat in your letter that says we’re not providing tax advice in giving you the value or what? What? We estimate the value of your deduction to be, i think that’s great advice, tony, to just say that caesar for internal gift recognition purposes, and to please seek guidance from your tax or financial advisor regarding the deductibility of your gift. Okay, gene let’s, stay with you. We have just a minute before a break so let’s, you know what? Let’s, just take our break and we’ll make a clean cut and, well, gene and emily and i will continue talking about documentation for quid pro quo gifts. 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But if it’s a token, ida, um, then there may be no need to do that, so token item might be okay. And what is a token is actually kind of defined, um, by the amount it is, it could be a low cost item. Or it could be an item that has the organisation’s name on it on. And if it’s a low enough value than that that’s going to be okay. And so the dollar figures i’m goingto let emily provided it doesn’t come off the top of my head. But it’s the low. Cost article, i think, is nine seventy with the organisation’s name or logo and if it’s not with the organisation’s name or logo, if the mug is less than two percent the lesser of two percent of the donation or ninety seven dollars, then you don’t have to give that written disclosures statement that says the amount of the value of the item given back to the donor return. Okay, that’s, a that’s? A lot to unpack, but listeners could go back and play that play that part back-up emily does does jean have? The number is correct. Okay, okay, now, gene, that was if the if the donation is more than seventy five dollars, if the donation is less than seventy five dollars, then you don’t have the charity need not disclose what was given in return. Is that is that right? Yet although it’s going to be a good idea for the charity to do so anyway, because the donor can only deduct the amount of the payments that is actually a charitable contributions so other than for those token token items, then something for the charity to indicate. So even if he gave a fifty dollars, gift to charity. And you got twenty five dollars, back. That charity should indicate what that amount given back. Okay, so, so sort of similar to what we talked about before it’s. Just it’s. Good practice to just do it all the time. Uh, disclosed what was received all the time. Okay. Plus, i just got makes it easier for your for your gift processing people. Teo did not have different rules. Just do it all the same way each time. Yeah. And note that this comes up all the time when charity’s hold their holiday party events and copied the chicken dinner with the ticket. Um, so the chicken dinner given back is a benefit that probably is more than the token benefit or the low cost benefit. So that’s going to be something that the charity will want to get back into receipt? The whole ticket may not be deductible, but a portion, maybe. Okay. And what? What about the silent auction items that you have? You have advice around those two? Yeah. Now, that gets to be a very tricky area. Because when you received ah non-cash contribution from a donor, the charity not goingto value that so. If somebody gives you a expensive vase and they say, you know, this is our donation to you, the cherry has no responsibility and is not in the business of appraising that for the donor. The donor is gonna have to do that themselves begat the deduction. But the charity will give back a receipt stating that a description of the items given, however, the big exception is if now the charity goes ahead and take that vase and puts it into a silent auction. And somebody bids sport let’s say somebody bid five hundred dollars for that body, right? The charity has got a responsibility to let the donor or the person paying for the box know what portion is a donation. And what portion is really the value of that vase? Uh, that they’re actually making just a strict payment for quid pro quo. Because it’s part sale and part gift and only the gift portion is deductible. Okay. And how are we going, teo? Value that? Yeah. Really tricky it it depends upon the item. So you know, if it’s super expensive than the charity, may have to get an appraiser to do that, otherwise they might. Look into, you know, being if it’s a fairly modest item, you may just look on ebay or craigslist that used and try to figure it out, but you don’t have to use reasonable method based, but, you know, pop your resources and the valley of the gift. Okay, emily let’s, go teo volunteering if someone’s instead of instead of making cash gift or stock if they’re spending their time with the organization, what what does the charity have a responsibility to? Teo teo, disclose that or acknowledge it in a certain way. And what can the donor deduct? I’m not necessarily so. The thing about volunteer services that the individual volunteering not deduct. I got the value of that volunteer time. So let’s say it’s the equivalent to paying, you know, twenty dollars per hour for your bookkeeper or something like that. You’re you’re volunteering the service, an organization that not deductible. But what could be deductible are the expenses that are incurred that are related to the volunteer services. So what say the cost of gas to get to the non-profits a place of business in order to do the financial services for them? Okay, we really have to leave it there. We just have a brief moment. Emily there’s a couple of publications that are valuable for for charities to figure this stuff out. What? What are those? Please? So there’s, the irs publication seventeen. Seventy one that’s. A really easy to read pamphlet. There’s also an irs publication. Five twenty six, which is a more comprehensive guide on charitable contributions and anything that’s tricky, like art or vehicles. There are special irish publications for that as well. So i would look for that specifically. Okay. And you’ll find the pubs on iris dot. Gov. Yes, that’s correct. Okay, we have to leave it there. I want to thank. Jean takagi and emily chan are regular legal contributors from the non-profit exempt organizations. Law group. You confined them both at non-profit law blawg dot com happy holidays to both of you. 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100: The 100th Show! It’s All Social Media – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio
Tony’s guests this week:
Amy Sample Ward, membership director at Nonprofit Technology Network (NTEN) and contributor to Stanford Social Innovation Review
Scott Koegler, editor of Nonprofit Technology News
Gene Takagi & Emily Chan of the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group
Maria Semple, The Prospect Finder, consultant in prospect research and author of “Panning for Gold: Find Your Best Donor Prospects Now”
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Hello and welcome to tony martignetti it’s show number one hundred high fives and knuckle bumps. It’s show number one hundred and welcome. This is big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio your aptly named host. What a coincidence that i found this show on july of two thousand ten two years ago show number one hundred today i do hope that you’re with me last week, it would cause me great vengeance and furious anger if i were to learn that you missed automated accounting with aaron schmid he’s, the chief product officer, billhighway and he thinks about a lot a lot about accounting, so you don’t have to. He had ways to improve reporting, automate and integrate accounting with your bank and online engagement to action at the fund-raising day twenty twelve conference, we were a media sponsor on the exhibit floor, interviewing speakers, and one of those was j frost, ceo of fund-raising info dot com. He talked with me about moving people from engagement online to giving online how to convert your social media friends into donors this week. It’s all social media for show number one hundred amy sample ward is a social media scientist that’s my title she’s very modest. I described that title to her she’s membership director at non-profit technology network and ten and a contributor to the stanford social innovation review. We’ve opened it up to listeners and she’s going to take all the questions that you sent in, and all our regular monthly contributors will be with us will dish on social media in the law for prospect research and in technology you know who they are. Our legal team. Jing takagi and emily chan from san francisco, the non-profit and exempt organizations law group maria simple, the prospect finder, our contributor on prospect research from new jersey and from north carolina, say but keller will be with us he’s, our technology contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news on tony’s take too. I’m going to be giving away t shirt and sunglasses for podcast listeners because this is show number one hundred use hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation with us on twitter. Amy sample ward is monitoring it sam, the producer is monitoring, and lynette singleton, our georgia fan club president and frequent assiduous live twitter she’s live tweeting. The show today lynette is at s c g four the number four non-profits and the hashtag is non-profit radio the show is sponsored by lap fund-raising l a lap of fund-raising dot com and i’m very grateful for their support. We have our first contest right now. A few minutes ago, i said great vengeance and furious anger. What movie is that from? Not the bible it’s in the bible, but that’s not what we’re looking for looking for the movie that that lines from you will win a copy of managing technology to meet your mission. A strategic guide for non-profit leaders donated by n ten amy, thank you very much. If you put the answer to that question, what movie was that line from on twitter right now? Make sure you use the hashtag non-profit radio what movie is that line from great vengeance and furious anger? You will win, you’ll be our first winner right now. We take a two minute break and when we return it’s all social media stay with me and amy co-branding dick dick tooting getting ding, ding, ding ding you’re listening to the talking alternate network get anything? Cubine hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. Listen to my show for ideas and information to help you live a healthier life in body, mind and spirit, you’ll hear from terrific the guests who are experts in the areas of health, wellness and creativity. So join me every thursday at eleven a, m eastern standard time on talking alternative dot com professionals serving community. Are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Dahna you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Lively conversation. Top trends, sound advice, that’s. Tony martignetti, yeah, that’s. Tony martignetti non-profit radio. And i’m travis frazier from united way of new york city, and i’m michelle walls from the us fund for unicef. Welcome back, we still need our first contest winner, great vengeance and furious anger. What movie is that from? Posted on twitter? Use the hashtag non-profit radio and with a copy of a book look donated by and ten the non-profit technology network. The book is managing technology to meet your mission welcome palo alto welcome, san francisco welcome, san jose, all in california! Welcome, california listeners right now. Very pleased to have with me for the hundredth show. Amy sample ward amy is membership director at non-profit technology network and ten, which you’ll find it in ten dot org’s and a contributor to stanford social innovation review her block is amy sample, ward dot or ge and she’s at amy rs ward on twitter she’s, co author of social by social a handbook on using social technologies for social impact social by social dot com is where you’ll find that book, and any profits from that book will be used to support projects which promote the use of new technologies for social good. Amy sample ward welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. It’s. A great pleasure to have you in the studio for show number one. Hundred any profits from the book are going to be given to support projects that used that promote the use of new technologies for social good. But i thought profit and greed drove are our economy what’s the social good? Well, when it comes to the book, it was a commission book by nesta who is an innovation thunder in the uk. So they commissioned us to write it. We don’t make any profit off of it in that way. And then the funds that come from the book just get put back into the innovation fund that nestor manages all for social good. Yes. And of course, i was being sarcastic or not. Of course, not all agreed. Not not most. Not all. Not entirely. We have our first question from you came from our first winner because she posted a question on the linked in group. Mary lynn holland has one an hour of consulting from me, even during registration or planned giving. Congratulations, mary lynn holland and her question. She has two questions for you. What’s. The biggest mistake that you see small non-profits making in social media. Well, there are lots of mistakes, but i would say the biggest mistake that kind of encompasses all those little things that trip up small organizations is trying to spread themselves too thin thinking, oh my gosh, you know, all these other organizations air on, they’ve got a profile on every platform they’ve got, you know, all these photos and videos and everything going on, and they think they have to do the same thing, but they don’t have the capacity to maintain all those profiles. So unless you actually have the staff time and the content, tio keep all those different profiles alive and actually have something going on there and can go in and interact with the community that’s there just don’t put the profile up on that platform, you know, just be very specific about what you what capacity you really have so that you don’t spread yourself too thin, and then people find your profile and it looks like a ghost town, and then you’re always apologizing for sorry we haven’t been here exactly, exactly one of the survey questions we asked in advance was, which social media channels do you wish your organization used or used better? And it’s pretty scattered across blogging and podcasting but facebook is kind of a large one, almost almost fifty six percent said facebook they wish they were doing something or more with facebook, and the largest was youtube. Two thirds of the people who serve we serve surveyed i wish they were doing mohr with youtube, but your point is you just you can’t keep up with the joneses necessarily, right? You can’t be on every single platform if you especially if you’re a small organization, but i think the survey showed, you know, that most people responding that they wish they were doing more with youtube and i think that’s because we see so many great videos but aren’t necessarily like high production value videos, and so then you get that feeling of, like, man, i could have made that video, why didn’t i think of it are right and, you know, so i think that there are a lot of those feelings to have seen other people succeed in thinking, gosh, it doesn’t look that hard. White why didn’t i do that? We have to take a break. Amy sample ward, of course, stays with me, and when we return, we’re going continue with social. Media. And we’ll have another contest. Stay with us. 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I know you. Welcome. I know you do what’s up. I was calling to brad schnoll age. Do on your hundredth show. Thankyou. All your friends that beautiful. Thank you very much. Future funds is a company that i do some work with and four. And we do great work with clients, don’t we? I think we do. I know. I think we do. You think we do too well, that’s. Good. Okay. Thank you, steve. Thanks very much for calling in, man. Thank you. Another hundred. Thank you. All right. And we had some with some nice things. Said on on other social media. I had someone who wished us wish us very well on the someone was just very well on the linked in group and ah, bunch of good, well wishes on my email list. And if you want to get on that weekly email lorts find out who the guest is going to be. You could do that on the show’s facebook page. We had a listener, tom l from california, and we’ve a bunch of listeners live from california right now, tom says. I was at the south rim of the grand canyon yesterday already to tune in on your on your broadcast. I thought it sounded fun tow listen while being in this remote spot, unfortunately, just a little too remote and no signal, so i did the next best thing and listen to a pre recorded podcast that i had downloaded for this trip and brought with me. Listen, tom ellen, california, thank you on the edge of the on the edge of the grand canyon. Amy it’s incredible where people are listening technology, it reaches everywhere, staggering, so question number two from maryland, holland, who asked fromthe linked in group and one hour of consulting from me, she asks what’s the biggest misconception non-profits have about social media well following on kind of from that previous question, you know, i think that a lot of small non-profits think, oh, this will be our magical cure all potion of technology, you know, we won’t have to do those email alerts anymore, and we won’t have to really send out your end appeal because, well, just tweet it or we’ll just posted on our facebook page, but it’s, just one channel and you need to be, you know, maintaining your engagement, your strategy across all those channels you still need to use email still need to use your whether it’s, direct mail or phone, whatever you are doing in your organization and social media, just another component on dove course face-to-face exact don’t want to ignore face-to-face meetings, right and social media’s great for face-to-face riel world offline things because people that are there khun just amplify what’s going on can post pictures in real time. Khun, you know, stream of video, khun send out tweets and so all those that aren’t there, maybe aren’t in that city couldn’t come whatever khun still follow along and it’s great for community building around your organization because so many more people feel like they knew what happened and they were a part of it, okay? And people are doing that for us right now, exactly, people a re tweeting, tweeting and retweeting and one of the survey questions we asked is whether your community engagement strategy includes social media and hundred percent did. Say yes. So everybody’s, everybody who surveyed eyes doing it. But we don’t want it to be a substitute for exactly. Of course. Of course. Okay, let’s. See, um let’s go. We have ah, contest winner maria? Yeah, maria simple. Oh, i should have said affiliates and friends and employees of non-profit rate or not eligible, but i didn’t say that maria simple winds absolutely correct. Great vengeance and furious anger is from pulp fiction, of course. And i believe that maria simple is the first person teo to answer that on twitter. But but i have to make important qualification. All results must be sifted through our social media manager, regina walton of organic social media. So preliminarily, maria simple is the winner, but that is subject to change based on heimans on findings by our social media manager, regina walton. Okay, um, we have another question this one is from twitter. Came from matt morgan and he’s at morgan m o r e m o r g a g n on twitter. Advanced question. What are the must have social media platforms? Let’s take that part first cause he asked reports what the one of them must have. Social media platforms well, i wish that he was tweeting along because i just have a question back for him and that’s, who are the people in his community and what air his goals for them if you if you have people in your community that are really into maybe you’re an organization that works with wildlife refuges and they love nature, well, they probably really like taking photos of nature, and that means, you know, the kinds of platforms that you want to prioritize your time on are ones where people are sharing photos, so maybe flicker facebook, et cetera. But if you have a community that works largely offline and very locally, then you’re going to want to pick platforms that aren’t necessarily for sharing out broadcasting tons of stuff, but or maybe facilitating those people, you know, sharing knowledge just within the group. So it really depends on what your goals are and who the people are that you’re even trying to engage you now. This is why i w social media scientist, because i think the average person would’ve said what’s, the what of the must have social media platform there were said, facebook looking and youtube but it’s not it’s, a much more sophisticated answer than that it depends what your goals are exactly exactly, and we’re trying to reach okay, and matt also asks from twitter how is the best way to measure twitter impact so back to that goals question, even though it’s specific to twitter, you know why’re you using twitter? Are you an organization that’s using it to really get a lot of information and knowledge out there? Maybe your think tank and you just want to make sure lots of people are using your research in your data? Well, then you’re going to want to maybe prioritized metrics around retweets and how many people have, you know, shared a linker clicked on a link that you’ve tweeted because that shows your knowledge is getting out there, but if you’re using it just for building connections and you really want people to engage with you, well, then the retweets air just sending more people away. You want to count those replies and people asking questions to you so you know the way you measure twitter impact isn’t universal for everyone, it really depends on why’re you even using that platform, have another contest, and this one is to win and ten sunglasses on and a copy of the book donated buy-in ten the future of non-profits innovate and thrive in the digital digital age zoho dave neff who’s in ten member okay, dave, next book can be yours along with sun glasses to wear while you’re reading it. Although they’re probably egyptian, we’re not giving prescription sunglasses, all right? Well, if you wear contacts, then you can wear the sunglasses while you’re reading eyes. The treasure hunt there’s a treasure hunt i had the founder of a worldwide social network as a guest twice it’s a very top of my network, everybody knows this network. One of the interviews is on our youtube channel, which israel tony martignetti some dude in boston took. Tony martignetti so my neck, my youtube channel, israel. Tony martignetti what is the name of the founder of the worldwide very well known social network that i had as a guest? Twice, you’ll find one of those interviews on a video on the youtube channel real tony martignetti answer on the youtube channel put a comment on the youtube channel, um and name him and you will. Win the sunglasses and the book. Okay, let’s. See who else we got? We got baldwin, new york. Welcome, atlanta, georgia that’s. Probably the net singleton, our master and assiduous tweeter. Welcome atlanta. We also have ah, north carolina. What was that town in north carolina? Sam, i missed it. Newport, newport, north carolina. Welcome. I love our live listeners. L three’s love live listeners. Wei, have another question for you from this one’s from peter heller also came to the linked in group peter heller. I’m wondering if any research has been done on how much of a capital campaign can be raised via social media. I believe social media is vital for non-profits, but the sexiness of it distracts from the eighty twenty role, which is eighty per cent of your gifts will come from twenty percent of your donors. You aren’t going to get your top gifts from via the internet, but you will get smaller gifts and lots of visibility. So basically asking, is there any research on how much of a campaign comes from social media have any insight into that? I don’t know if there’s research about the whole campaign because for a lot of the people that are doing this research and benchmarking there, the people either process anders or facilitating the online donation, and so they don’t know the rest of the story. They don’t have access to the organization’s data to know what else they were raising. They only know the data of the online portion, but there’s definitely benchmarks around that, and one that is, you know, has been done. You’re over a year is from blackbaud and the chronicle of philanthropy just is a heads up, i don’t know spoiler there, maybe i’m not supposed to say, but i would keep an eye out there because they’re going to be doing summarily good stuff with online fund-raising data very soon just to help keep those benchmarks out there, okay, but i would go to blackbaud and get there. They’re online donation research and you can see the average gifts, eyes, you know, it has been increasing and things like that, okay, i would also add for peter’s question that the the social media e-giving is probably going to be at the base of the of the fund-raising pyramid, the campaign pyramid where the base is all the smaller gift. We typically say it might take hundreds or thousands of small gif ts and typically, that’s. The gift giving that’s online is fifty twenty five, one hundred dollars. You know, in that vicinity and those air in a capital campaign of ah, even just a smaller campaign of two hundred fifty thousand dollars, or half a million dollars. You do need lots of those smaller gift, right and that’s, where social media would would probably be counted in that in a campaign. Exactly. Thank you. Let’s. See what we should do. What with that way have just three minutes. Is that we’re here? Oh, we have. Ah, scott, koegler is on the line. Oh, scotty kegs on here. Tony scott. Koegler is our regular technology contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news. And he is with us for a few minutes. Scott, how you doing? I’m doing great. How you congratulations, by the way. Thank you very, very much. You have a little social media topic for us today. What you gonna do? We’re gonna tease us with. Yeah, actually, it is a teaser because we’ll talk about this next week, but, uh, analytics. I mean, i heard part of the conversation about how do you know what you’re getting from? Your from your social media efforts and that that kind of goes to return on investment, you know, why would you actually spend time and money pursuing social media, right? How do you know what you’re getting from it? Okay. And that’s kind of been a perennial issue with just, you know, making those kind of decisions. So what do you have for us? Yeah. There’s. A lot of platforms out there. I know of three that are kind of my top of mind there’s hoot suite, which is a combination of free and paid for depending on the level of the analysis you want to do, uh, there’s, another one called market metoo sweet, which is kind of a new one. And it’s got a fairly unique approach to enable that was market me sweet market metoo assume suite is s u i t it is confectioner sweet. Okay, right. And the other one, which is maybe a cut above those two is something called radiant six. Maybe i am six. Okay. And that’s now a sales force dot com company. And they’ve got very interesting approach. They actually allow you to find the people that are talking about the things that you want on whatever platform there using whether it’s, a lichten group or yahoo group or twitter or facebook, or any of those and actually all at the same time, and then initiate conversations on the platforms that they’re using it’s really unique. And then they got all kinds of reporting stuff. Okay, um amy, do you have? Do you know any of those? You know, those sites or or? Any others that are useful for analysis of how you’re succeeding? Yeah, there’s, there’s tons of of platforms like that, you know, that range from frito all the money in the world that you want to invest in being able to track and report everything. I always recommend the organization’s start with a free version, no matter what, because until you’re tracking something you don’t know what’s worth investing in on dh you, khun get very sidetracked by all the shiny, shiny toys that are out there. I’ve used most of them, or at least tried them out. One thing that i do like about radiant six so that’s on the spend your side of what scott just shared. One thing that i do like about radiant six is that it has some tracking for the whole conversation. So you can say, you know, if you are using twitter, for example, to really grow your brand and change people’s ideas by getting your data and your knowledge out there, then knowing what percentage of the conversation on that topic you are a part of that’s. Incredible. Okay, thank you. Okay, scott. Cool. Everybody agrees. Excellent. And i know scott, you have to go. You coming down for a few minutes? Indeed, we are going to record next week, but that show that where scott and i will go into more detail on the analytics that’ll be the august third show. But he and i will be doing that next week. Scottie, thank you very much for calling in. Thanks, tony. Congratulations again and talk with you. Thank you very much. Thanks, buddy. Bye bye. Okay. Um, let’s see what we could do right before a break. Maybe another let’s. See another treasure hunt. Maybe we have two minutes before breaks. And so, uh, okay, perfect. So we’ll have another treasure hunt on the block. I have had a ceo of a popular charity rating organization on the show. This is a treasure hunt on the block. His last name is berger what’s his organization. Post your answer on the facebook page to win a copy of open community. A little book of big ideas for associations navigating the social web. So again, had the ceo of a popular charity rating organization on the show search my blog’s for his last name, which is burger and tell me what? His organization is and post the answer on the facebook page, and you’ll get the book for matty. Grant is also an antenna member. This incredible amy knows all these authors, really, i have to keep. I need better social social circles. I hang out with you more right now, we’re going to take a break. Amy sample ward, fortunately, can stay with us the whole show. Grateful for that. And and also after this break, we’ll have tony’s take, too. I’ll have another contest, and you’ll be maria semple with with about us and also jean takagi and emily chan. 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Find your best donor prospects now and on twitter she is at maria simple. Welcome, maria. Thanks, tony. And congratulations. Thank you very much. I know you and you and amy and i are going to talk about email and online strategies, so we’re going to get to that that connection very soon. But let’s bring in gene and emily to what the heck gene and emily how you doing? We’re doing great many congratulations on your hundreds. Thank you, emily. Are you there or is genius speaking? Speaking speaking for you today i’m here okay. Jean takagi is the principle of dio the non-profit exempt organizations law group in san francisco. He had it. The popular blogger at non-profit law blawg dot com and he’s at g tak gt a k on twitter emily chan is an attorney at neo-sage principal contributor to that non-profit law blogged and on twitter she is at emily. Chan, welcome again. So and you guys were going to talk about who owns your twitter account? That’s? Really interesting. But let’s see let’s, start with maria and maria. You have some advice around coordinating email and social media channels. Yeah. That’s right. Tony, really? Email marketing is no longer just about sending out email blast because it’s all very share a bill now. So the beauty of it is you can take the communications and leverage them much further. Both us, the sender, but also the person receiving it can go ahead and forward the communications on their social media platform. Okay, forwarding. So is this done with a simple links in an email? Yeah, usually it’s done with that share, that social share bar that we’re also accustomed to seeing now that also it already has a little icons embedded into it. Okay, but certainly they can take the girl and cut and pasted in as well if they prefer to do it that way. But those social share buttons really make it great to be ableto take your communication and leverage it further. I mean, what what’s your vice around coordinating email with your social network channels. Yeah, we try to do that, i’ve seen organizations actually see big upticks because they see, you know, a message go out and then a coordinated message asking what people thought of it or if there was a video embedded or photo, you know, an action that they can then say, hey, look at all the people signing that petition or whatever, but another form of engagement that i’ve seen, especially small organizations that, you know, maybe have to staff or say three staff are not paid, you know, like just a volunteer organization used tools, you know, they don’t like that very first question getting spread too thin, they know they have email addresses, they’re not going to worry about facebook, so they really want to make those emails really good. Andi, i’ve seen people use a tool called group fine that allows your email toe actually be kind of alive, so i’ll send out an e mail to everybody, and i say, you know, we’re looking for your feedback about this event, you know, what day do you want it? And then who would you like is the speaker? You can embed those questions in the email and when people respond and you open your email, you see their responses live in your ok so people can see written out answers from other people in the community, etcetera. So you can literally start a conversation in an email because everyone is opening that email and seeing it and that’s why it was called group find group, vine group find like a great plan. Great. Fine group. Fine. Okay, maria, what what else did you want to share with us? You know, i wanted to share also that there is a site called nutshell mail dot com for those small organizations that are thinking, well, how do we begin? Teo, monitor the conversations that are going on elsewhere. You can actually set up an account with nutshell mail, i believe it’s free and you can have the three e mails sent you. However often you want throughout the day. So let’s say you’re interested in monitoring your e mail your social media communications and mentioned at the beginning of the day and toward the end of the day, not shell male will actually send you an email. Recai recapping all of social media that has been going on or you actually designate you’re interested in monitoring face focus your monitoring, lengthen or twitter. You designate which ones you’re interested in getting the communications about. And maria is nutshell male free. I believe so. Yes, it is. Okay. She says yes. Maria says yes. So yes. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Maria way. Want to leave us with one other tip before we have to move? Teo jean emily a little bit. Yeah, i think one other site that i might like. Just drop and leave with you it’s something called social quick starter dot com and it’ll give you some additional ideas about how to leverage your email communications into social media. Okay, would you be good enough? Teo? Post these on the facebook page on the linked in group. Sure. All these free resource is. Thank you. I always appreciate you doing that. Thank you. Um, on dh, you’re welcome to stay if you want, you hang on the phone. Maria, can you cure? Okay. Excellent. But let’s, uh, let’s. Go to jean and emily and there’s some recent controversy around a case that involves whether the issue is whether a person on employee or the employer owns the twitter account after the employee leaves who’s going to who’s goingto give the fax an overview of the case familiar gene, go ahead either one okay, not go there. There was a case recently and arises because many of us are mixing our work and personal lives so much and i think that’s especially true when we’re using social media. Andi so for people who are on twitter on by all of us, i think are on twitter now we put in our personal statements as well, lazar our word promotional statements and do some branding for our companies and for our selves personally. So there was a recent case, probably the most well known that was filed in july of last year involving phone dog and an employee who’s named noah kravitz. Kravitz was using a twitter account that had phone dog is part of the twitter handle phone dog noah okay, promote the company and crab it’s left the employment, kept the twitter account and changed the handle to noah kravitz, his name but by that time, he’d accumulated over seventeen thousand twitter followers um, and months later, phone dogs decided to sue because they wanted the account in the followers, you know, suing for damages, they figured out that each follower was worth two dollars and fifty cents per month for eight months, and that ended up being three hundred forty thousand dollars in that complaint timesthe seventeen thousand followers that’s interesting that any idea how they came up with two dollars and fifty cents per month for ah is the value of a twitter follower? Well, that i think if i’m following you, i’m worth much more than that i’m worth, i don’t know fifteen or twenty dollars a month surely that’s definitely the big issue, and it may be a way that each organization values its prospects on customer list, but that’s that’s sort of each organizations proprietary information. I’m not sure exactly how they came up with that and that’s definitely one of the issues. Okay, i’m going to just ask amy, just this is a little date. Well, it’s an interesting issue. Yeah, but i know and we’ll go deeper in the law. But, amy, any sense of value, any reason research on how how twitter accounts value their followers in really indulgence sense? I don’t know, i mean organizations do it in different ways, in this case, it’s. Very different than, like many non-profits that aren’t tracking the our ally of anything or anyone. So they actually have the math, you know, to to do the calculation. But i think that for most organizations, their primary use of twitter was just the community building and never asking for anything you know, fund-raising wise not doing appeals. They’re not even doing customer service for other fund related work, but in litigation, as jean points out, there has to be shevawn cause of action and also damages. If you’re angry at somebody but you weren’t injured or damaged by it, then there’s no recompense in law. Anyway, you might get an apology, but so that’s how they valued. Ok, jean little digression. Sorry. Yeah, so well, that’s the basic issue and and of course, been final by finalized yet, so they’re still going into settlement agreements, and we’re going to learn from this, but we think this is going to blow up and be more pervasive because there are a lot of issues involved where employers are just not making clear who owns the account that out that and that creates, you know, potentially triable issues i have i’m sorry, i have a survey question and emily, this will probably leading to some of your advice around this. Do you have a written policy on use of social media accounts by employees? And about fifty six percent of people said yes at about forty five percent, forty four percent said no. So let’s, sort of close to a half don’t have a written policy. Emily, i’m sure there’s advice that involves written policies, of course, absolutely. With any policy, i think it’s important to think about what you’re actually trying to address. So even if half of the survey respondents have a policy, is it actually addressing the questions that are coming up in cases like phone dog versus kravitz? You know you may have policies about what can be put a on the twitter account, like what kind of content you’re supposed to push out. But did you actually address, you know, who owns the account, who maybe account, and you have guidelines for howto relinquish that account when that the employment end. So these are all the kind of questions that organization should be thinking about when they’re creating these policies. Now that these cases, they’re coming up, okay, and we just have a minute before a break. One more piece of advice. Teo, help stave off these these issues. I think just making any step in the right direction, you know, it’s hard to do a comprehensive policy, but to just tackle one question out of time, i think you can really help the organization in the long term just to say, you know, the employer owns the account and you give it up end. Making that clear is something that i think probably a lot of organizations i haven’t done yet. I haven’t thought about it, okay, you’ll stay with us. Of course, i like i love the name of that case phone dog versus kravitz. I don’t know if he’s related to lenny kravitz or i think of mrs kravitz from bewitched. Those of you remember that show, mrs kravitz, i believe, was the neighbor. I don’t know if noah is a descendant of any of them. We’re going to take a break and when we return, maria semple stays with us and jean takagi in emily chan and amy sample ward and i hope you two. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. 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Welcome back to the one hundred show that last love, amy’s little move that last drop where someone is that’s called a drop when someone is endorsing the show. That’s a pretty significant clue to one of our current contests. I have to leave it there. Amy, i want to ask you how, and ten manages ownership of social media properties and three organizations, all about social media. You’re all doing lots of things. How does how does that organization manage this? Sure. So we definitely do have a policy in place and it’s part of our employee handbook that everyone has to sign. So we know you at least pretended to write it. Did you mean emily chan, right? That policy for you? She did not. They did not. Well, it’s probably substandard, but haven’t i? I’m happy to say it some standard until they look it over, but we that the inten organizational account and ten org on twitter is the only one that is thie official voice event ten and we have policies in place that say who can have admin access to that? You know who khun tweet from the account when what kinds of things? You tweet, but then we also have some guidelines and parameters for using your own account and that we’re totally fine if you want to have your own twitter account and not be associated with antenna and never talk about us, etcetera. That’s truly finds your personal account, but if you do want to tweet about and tens work or in support of intent or anything like that, then we want to make sure that you say that you are an ant in employee in the bio so that if if, say, someone asked a question and you respond from your personal account and not the official account, they know it really was legitimate, you know, information that they were getting back, and it wasn’t just some random person trying to say this is how to use the site or something. So we want to make sure that it’s, transparent and clear in your profile, but we don’t own that profile. We don’t own. We don’t try and measure or anything, even those personal accounts, and then when you leave, well, then we ask, obviously, that you take the reference that urine and an employee out of your bio, but that’s it, it’s still your it’s your own account. Okay, jean, how does that sound to you? Well, we love and ten. And so you know in-kind well, okay, that okay, their policies, they’re probably pretty strong. And that sounds like that. Sounds like great. Those sound like great guidelines. And maybe one cautionary note. If you don’t do something like that. And you’ve got an employee that’s tweeting on a quasi work accountant starts to endorse a political candidate in this election year. You could get into a lot of trouble for your organization. Election hearing. We talked with her. Yes. You and i and emily talked a lot about that in a previous show. Election hearing and political advocacy. Okay. We definitely like to encourage people to vote, but we do not tell them who to vote for. But so what would happen then, jean if if amy on her on her on a personal account, that does say that she’s within ten started to endorse a candidate, what would happen? Well, those those words could get attributed, teo. Antenna if it’s an antenna owned, account controlled account and then that’s just a safety organization, it endorsed the candidates themselves, which is a violation of five twenty three and potentially jeopardised the five oh, one seat to exempt status of the organizations why you gotta do take steps to make sure that that doesn’t okay? And i guess, emily, that should be a part of your your polyp written policy, yeah, absolutely a cz much of the organization and its best interests, khun document that it’s doing its part to take care of its responsibility that’ll be helpful. So in the employee handbook saying, you know, if you do put that urine and an employee like you should know that is a five, a one tree organization, we can’t make these kind of statement was we can’t expect organizations to monitor all of their employees accounts, and then if the employer does become aware of something that happened, you know, documenting the steps you took to make sure that it wasn’t attributed to the organization, like having asking the person, maybe tio put something on their account to make sure that it shows that it’s their personal account i’m or even just as the organization with the accounts, you’re in control of making sure that you’re putting the information out there like that, we do not monitor employee account, okay, amy’s doing a lot of nodding. So i just i mean, generally that’s the way in ten manages things. Yes, yeah, okay, um, let me ask you, we just have about two minutes left. Can’t noncompete and non solicitation agreements be valuable in this? Also, jean. Yes, absolutely. So if somebody doesn’t, uh, have has a personal, own email account or started sorry social media accounts like a twitter account and brings it to the organization’s main competitors when they switch firms and that’s going to be a problem if they bring all the followers over oh, run so absolutely having a non compete but use traditional non compete agreement. But make sure that they reflect that there’s social media properties as well. That may be involved, i think it’s really important? Yes. Because in this phone dog case, noah just noah kravitz left the employment, but he didn’t go to a competitors, but yeah. Interesting. If if you go over to a competitive right. Absolutely. Yeah, very good. Let’s. See, i guess we should probably say goodbye, maria. Simple. You’re still there. I know i am. Um, let me give you one shot. Is there anything? Is there any more sight? One more site. You want a name in our last minute? Since we haven’t talked to you for a few minutes. Oh, boy. Uh, gosh. There’s so many great ones out there. One mashable dot com. Okay, mashable i love just kind of keeping. Track of what mashable is talking about in all things. Social media and always come up with some interesting ideas after i read one of their articles. Okay. And that’s. A very well known block. Jamie, you follow that also. Develop mashable. Okay, maria simple. Thank you very much, maria. Simple. Of course, the prospect. Find her. You’ll find her at the prospect finder. Dot com. Thanks for being on maria. Thank you. Congrats again. Thank you very much. Gene and emily at neo non-profit exempt organizations law group in san francisco. The block is no non-profit law blogged dotcom. Thank you very much. Both for being on. Thank you so much, tony. Congratulations. Thanks, gene. Thank you. Thank you, emily. Thanks for helping talk to you next month. Amy let’s. See in wrap up one thing that you want, teo leave listeners with about social media that we haven’t said that’s sabelo in, like, twenty seconds zoho i would say give tools a try on your own if you want. If you think that they could be used for your organization before you try and set up the organizational account, so you give yourself a chance to figure out. How it really works, what things you like about it, etcetera, before you set up that organizational profile and start directing people there and then realize, oh, actually, this is broken or whatever, you know, work those kings out on a personal account first amy sample warders, membership director and ten non-profit technology network, which you’ll find it, and ten and t e n dot or ge and a contributor to stanford social innovation review her block is amy sample ward dot org’s amy, thanks so much for being a good yeah. Thank you for having me. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Real pleasure. 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074: Podcasting Primer & Twitter Organization Pages – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio
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Metoo hello and welcome to the show it’s friday, january thirteenth, two thousand twelve this is tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. Were you with me last week? If you weren’t, you missed three next-gen charity interviews abby falik is the ceo of global citizen year, and she had thoughts about innovation and leadership for social change. Charles best leads donors choose dot or ge where teachers post their classroom needs, and he and i talked about connecting donors to the causes they support. And wally collins is an author and stand up comic, and he wants you to live a regret list life after those three pre recorded interviews, it was your two thousand twelve prospect plan maria simple, our regular prospect research contributor, helped you devise a sensible and execute herbal prospect plan for the new year this week. Podcasting primer john federico principle of the new rules is going to share what podcasting is, how to do it to support the outreach of your non-profit how do you get started? With budget gear, content format distribution, going to talk about all that may be it will. Induce you to start your own internet radio show, but don’t call it tony martignetti non-profit radio no point in treating on that name it has no equity. Also your two thousand twelve prospect plan. Scott koegler is our regular tech contributor, he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news. We’re going to talk about twitter organization pages. What are they? Should you jump in? And if you should, how do you get started between the guests? Tony’s, take two on my block this week is my next-gen charity interviews part three i’ll tell you about the three video interviews that are up this week. We’re live tweeting the show and we have a guest live tweeter dan blakemore dan hello out there, he’s, a professional fundraiser in new york city. You could follow him at dan underscore blakemore and to join the conversation on twitter with us use hashtag non-profit radio dan, thanks for joining us. This show is supported by g grace corporate real estate services, and i’m very grateful for their support. Right now. We take a break when we returned john federico and podcasting primer, so stay with me. Yeah, you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Cerini are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. 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John is known in digital media circles for innovation, his expert perspective and bottom line results very importantly. Formerly the senior director of podcasting for audible, where he created and manage the company’s podcasting business unit. He’s, the host and executive producer of on digital media. A podcast about the technology, creation, distribution, consumption and monetization of digital media. And it has over twenty thousand listeners. John is also the remote producer of this very show. Very pleased to welcome him and talk about his work in the studio. John welcome. Thank you, tony. Pleasure to have you in the studio rather than remote. Yes, exactly. We’re not surrounded by hundreds of conference goers in any time. It’s. Nice that’s. Right. Thanks to quiet here. Just just sam and janice are listening in for those who are listening live and may not know what is podcasting? Well, podcasting began as as a method of distributing digital media starting originally audio in an automated fashion. And that was the difference between posting a sound file somewhere on the internet and having someone to go get it versus having it automatically show up in your computer and even sometimes automatically show up on a portable device so that you could listen to it in your car, on the train, in the subway, that sort of thing. Okay, so it was the automated distribution that sort of made podcasting what it is you mentioned. Audiobook could be video also could also be video. Yes, audio. You know, this was let’s. See, podcasting was two thousand five and so pushing around pushing around video files was not like it is today. It was pre youtube, and so audio was was kind of the thing, especially since one of the people who originated podcasting was it was an old radio show host s o it was sort of a natural thing for him to record audio. Okay, tell us that what’s that history two people actually one of the technical side, one on the well also technical but somewhat creative man by the name of david dave winer. If you know technologists might know dave, he was the creator of this technology called r s s and it was it was the used as the platform for delivering these audio files. And the other person was and i’m sorry. Jargon, dja that’s, right. He’s told me, raised right here. Actually, he’s knows he’s in charge in jail right now for our i know that. And actually, no one really knows what our stance for has that because there are lots of interpretations. Really simple syndication is the most common is the most common use of the term. And explain what our senses briefly s oh, oh, gosh. I have to think of think of ourselves as email and think of the audio or video files that come with it as attachments. Okay. That’s, that’s, the simplest that’s it that’s a good lehman’s, you know. So, um, i meant instrumental model. A method of distributing audio. Exactly. Okay, exactly. It’s it’s it’s. A method of distributing of distributing the thiss media jargon, jailed aggression, right back to the history. And the other person was adam curry. You may know adam from him from his mtv days in the big hair and all that and adam’s always been very involved in technology. And the two of them collaborated and more or less delivered the first podcast, and that’s that’s sort of how it was born. Okay, and do we know if podcasting that that term comes from the ipod? It does. It does early, early on. You know, we all know that apple protects his trade, its trademarks pretty aggressively. And so early on, people didn’t want to claim it was podcast because they were afraid that that apple would shut it down. But yes, that is definitely words from okay, what’s the value for a non-profit in podcasting. Well, let’s, put this way. Let’s take it in a different direction. I’ll answer with a question like this he takes over the show. Then i can’t help it. I would go to a break if you keep this up. I’m gonna go to a break, sees podcasting has no breaks because, you know, we create the mess. We’re taking a break. We’re going to take that right now though blakemore e, i want you to tweet this that the show’s being hijacked. Okay, go ahead. Alright. So very simply. If you’re a non-profit and i gave you some airtime, what would you do with it? Right? So the first response to me this is great, you know, i can’t say i have a have a commercial now you don’t have a commercial. I’m giving you thirty to sixty minutes of airtime that where you can, you can get your message across and you can activate your donors and your volunteers and your alumni and all those people. What would you do with it? And that’s? Really? That’s let’s. Leave it there. Ok. What would you do with it? What could you do with it? That’s? Pretty wide open that’s. Right? You can use it to tell your story. Okay? So if we’re if we’re thinking about embarking on podcast and we just have a minute before break what? What might some of the objectives be? Some of our goals. That’s? Well, that’s definitely where we would start. So you know, if you now that you have this opportunity, what will you do with it? Well, start with your goals is fund-raising a primary goal is activating your volunteer your volunteer bases that your primary goal is it reaching out tio peoples on behalf of a cause to contact their congressman? You know that it could be that sort of campaign what what is it that you’re looking to accomplish over any period of time? So let’s, just say, starting with your first six months, you know, start with those goals and then work backwards, okay, we’re going to take a break. Dan blakemore, live tweeting for us to join this conversation used the hashtag non-profit radio. Of course, john stays with us talking about podcasting primer, and i hope you do, too. E-giving didn’t think tooting, getting demanding things. You’re listening to the talking alternate network e-giving. E-giving good. Are you stuck in your business or career, trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one, eight one eight three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people. Be better business people. Oppcoll hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. 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Um, is this something that small non-profits should be afraid of or can kind of smaller midsize shop get into podcasting? Oh, i mean, anyone can can produce a podcast and distributing podcast is a matter of fact. When you know, you open up your apple itunes and tune in and see all those big names and, you know, in media companies, you know what? You could be right alongside them with very little work involved. A little commitment, but but not a whole lot of work. Okay, let’s, talk a little about the commitment. What? What does it take? Well, let’s say we go back to our first point, right? Figure out your goals. So once you’ve got that all figured out now, we’ve talked about format, right? So okay, let’s, just say i’m going to make up to make something up. You and i talked on the phone last week and i made up a non-profit so i happen to like pets. So let’s say, it’s ah it’s a local rescue. Actually, i have a cocker spaniel rescue here that we got our last doc. So it’s a cocker spaniel rescue. Okay. And so this this rescue their job, of course, is to get their pets adopted. And so what’s in many ways, what’s. A good way of doing that well, let’s, create a format. Let’s say the format is too featured the backstory of each of the dogs that get brought into the shelter every time they come in and even better let’s make it video and audio. Right? I can do this right with the camera on my phone, right with my phone and we can have let’s say it’s nice to have some continuity. So maybe we’ll have the director of the non-profit or of the shelter. She’ll actually tell the story of each of the animals as as they come in the shelter. And then, of course, provide what? What? What’s the key messages there then at the end, how they can adopt this dog. What the title docks. Temperament is where they can pick the dog up, etcetera. Wonderful. And, of course, she can solicit donations. Perfect it’s short, you can probably tell a dog’s story and two to three minutes and you can do that on a regular basis or an ad. Hoc basis, right. So now there’s our format, and even better, you can take the audio file from that video and produce an audio podcast is, well, now you’ve got two ways of reaching people, right, so you have your goals. You have your format, and ultimately you have a schedule or not. It could be at hakkas, i said. So once it’s. So now let’s talk a bit about the tools to make that happen. I i just mentioned a phone. Yes, actually. Tony, what do you want? That or for g that? Yes, i have an iphone for as fundez support. May i have a three g s and tony? What do you use me? When we recorded conferences, i record into. Yes, a speaking as remote for producer. Now i’m answering questions. Are he’s questioning me as remote producer? The content gets recorded onto the phone. We have ah, remote. We have mike. So we have headsets and the mixing board. And it all goes into my three g s phone through an app called fire right now. Uh, that’s, that’s pretty elaborate set up, but really, you know, you and you’ve done this in a coffee shop, having you at the last minute. This the microphone on this phone is absolutely perfect for recording audio interviews so that you and i we’re going to sit down and have a conversation. I could hold it up to your mouth and hold it up to my mouth. Or i could she laid here on the table like this. And let it record away. And guess what, we’ve got a show it’s a matter of fact, the podcast i started producing back in two thousand five began when i and a group of my colleagues went to lunch one day, and of course, we always like to talk shop and i said, you know, this would make a great podcast. We just stuck a microphone in the middle is to be a lot of fun and two weeks later, that’s what we did, everyone came teo to my home studio and we cracked open a couple of bottles of wine and and that’s what we did. And we recorded our first podcast. So what? We started broadcasting here. We don’t have we never had wine here talking alternative. So i got screwed. Essentially i got i got talking alternative owes me two bottles of wine. I’ll take a red and a white i zinfandel and sauvignon blanc. Let me just explain to people what you want. Things you mentioned that i had done this in a coffee shop. There was there was a schedule mix up. And i had a guest here and she wasn’t gonna be available any other time so i did exactly what john just said. I took my phone and did an interview with her and then brought that audio just from the phone here to the studio, and we used it on the show. Yeah, and so so that’s just one way of saying you don’t need to spend a lot of money. In fact, if you own one of these phones, you don’t need to spend any more money, right? So record the audio on dh let’s say it’s good enough for production. You know, you don’t want to worry about taking out the gums and oz because i typically don’t i don’t do that anymore. Now you’ve got this audio file and all you had was your phone. So now now you have to have some place to put it. So to generate this thing called on rcs feed, right? Which i hate using the jargon, but so you need the best way to do that is to use block software so you would need to have a block where you could walk software. Meaning, like wordpress, like wordpress, wordpress blogger any anything that any arm? Ah, any software that produces an rcs feed will do on typically block software does that thing in this day and age, you won’t find block software that does not output a valid rcs feed. We’ve talked about non-profit, blog’s and wordpress versus blogger and other sites, so we’ve we’ve covered that. But go ahead. We want youto talkabout your broadcasting on the block. So so now, instead of distributing articles that you write, you’re distributing audio files by uploading these audio files for all intents and purposes to your block and when, when people subscribe here are ss feed they get so they get the what it called enclosures, or the audio files or video files with it. So again, think about the rcs feed is your email. Think about the enclosures, your attachments and that’s how it arrives on for people to consume. Okay, this is sounding ex, getting a little technical, trying to keep it as simple is like most people get email, but to do yeah, all those people on the shame what an attachment is, right? I’m hoping that helps. Oh, it does. So i think the explanation is simple. I mean, the actual doing of this is this something that a non-profit without experience now that they’ve produced their first audio podcast on their phone, khun do on their own absolutely absolutely it’s. In some cases, plug ins are required, and again, we’re getting a little little nerdy, but you can go get a free blogged on blogger dot com, which is a google product. You can create a block post. Tell the instruct blogger where the audio file lives. In many cases you could just uploaded to blogger, or you can put it somewhere else on the that’s a simple upload like you might upload photos, jack a similar process, similar very similar process. You find that on your hard drive clicks, you know, selected, click, upload, wait for it to get up there and then once that’s done, you publish it so it’s it’s not that difficult, not as difficult as people think and actually, tony. Okay, getting backto. I set, i help you set up your podcast, right? And, you know, once i showed it to you, what was your answer? Well, that was easy we can do this weekend is all right. And i would. And as you’ve said before, you know you’re you know, the tools of your trade, but you’re not exactly, you know, a technologist. So nothing. Nothing? Incredibly. Yeah. The only thing i boast about is that i i’m not afraid of the technology, so you don’t want people to be fearful of it, and i don’t understand it anywhere near the level you do, but i’m not afraid of it. I actually kind of enjoyed working with it, but i need some hand holding. Yes. Okay, so so but it’s all it’s, all manageable. Andi understandable. Um, so we could do and you mention the phone. I mean, someone could do audio well as video, right? The video doesn’t have to be high end video to be interesting and compelling until the tell the story of the back story of the dog’s life. Right. Exactly. I mean, it could be, you know, these phones that we have here produce very high quality video, but you don’t necessarily need that, you know. Ah, simple, actually. The three gs produces vj video that’s that’s. Perfectly suitable. Okay. And there’s produces a little better, right? Yeah, this does full hd, but that’s, you know, he’s. Not going to boast, but all remind people in case you need to say the first time he has the four of us, but okay, so i just wanted people think of it doesn’t have to be to recognize that there’s got to be spotlights and and full production value. This could be just very heartfelt and and simply produced absolutely and especially, i would think using our using our cocker spaniel rescue was an example, you know? I mean, what are the most? What are the most shared videos on the internet? Well, typically cats and pets, right? So, you know, a cute animal with a sad story that needs a home? You know what? It doesn’t have to be hollywood, right? It’s enough just it’ll probably get the job done. I’m talking to john, federico and he’s, principal of the new rules, which you’ll find at new rules dot com we’re talking about podcasting primer, hoping to encourage non-profits teo think about podcasting is a way of supporting while their other social media work um, let’s just talk a little about maybe doing this remotely. So if you’re not just going to in terms of maybe budget and gear, if you’re not going to do it just in your premises. But you want to do something remote, maybe at an event, andi want to have a little little set up at a at a gala, perhaps to do some interviews of donors and and board members what might be involved with doing something remote versus in your own office? Well, the tools i just described would work remotely, right? But some of that then comes down to a little sizzle. Little little possess a little bit about presenting this media opportunity. Two people attending your gala as a big deal, right? So i would say that it’s nice. If if i were you, i would i would set up a tripod. I would it wouldn’t hurt to get a mic flag, right, mike? Fuck is that thing that news reporters have on their on their microphones so that it has the name of their of usually of the television station, right? And i might have some lights right on, and obviously, i would have a cat someone operate the camera so that you yourself can focus on the real reason why you’re there, which is to possibly interview the people who are attending your gala. Maybe it’s your donor’s, maybe it’s it’s volunteers, whoever it might be. Okay, but the tools of the trade don’t don’t differ very much, you know you have when you struck it into, like noisy environments like we experience unconference is you need a certain kind of microphone. Some microphones work better than others. Right? Um but but for the most part, you can. You can you can use your phone, right? Okay. I i wanted to go just to the next level for people that might short be curious about that. But you made the point in the beginning and the end, the phone is still adequate. Yeah, as long as you have ah, fairly quiet place too to record the phone still works in a remote yes, you know, one thing to point out one day i will point out is that there is a balance between quality and in content, quality of the recording and the quality of the content. I have listened to some podcast that i wanted to listen to, really, i generally wanted to listen to, and i finally had to delete them and get rid of them because the audio quality was so bad that it was just it was just it was grating on my nerves, and i couldn’t do it, so it doesn’t have to be perfect. But, you know, you don’t necessary don’t want something that has, you know, audio rah pouts and skips and weirdness in the audio and all of that. So, you know, just strike that balance, but again, it doesn’t have to be hollywood quality. We have a question from at wild woman fund-raising zoho i know is measuring treyz she’s been a guest here, she’s she wants to ask what you’d recommend for people who don’t use an iphone. Well, more importantly, i okay, well, i guess i’ll look he’s always perverted there’s contorting the questions thiss guy doesn’t answer a straight question like he’s under cross examination or something. Well, let me answer this question instead. Well, alright, mazarene don’t worry, i’m gonna hold him two feet to the fire. I live that i’m getting back my job aren’t my show is panel style, so i have four to six people in any time, so you’re not there now raining joint anymore, you know? I know, i know. Okay, so good. So ok. The flipside, of course, is any smartphone, so an android or windows phone would also work, but the real so i guess the real question is if you don’t have a smart phone, if you have an android phone, other applications for it windows phone same. If you have say, a feature phoned like a regular flip phone, you actually there are there are services available where you khun dial in and record using. You can record audio using that phone using nothing but the telephone line. The quality’s not so good. Thiss block talk radio is that an example? That’s one example. That’s there’s, another one called talks you talk shoe talk. Shoo. Shh. Okay, on da and they’re all you know, they’re ok. They’re telephone quality, but you’re it was a matter fact. I don’t know which service it was, but the show i just described that i wanted to listen to, it was recorded on one of those services and it’s not it’s, not a dig on the services themselves. It’s the fact that you’re dealing with telephones, right, your link with telephone quality audio and in many cases, you’re dealing with voice over ip, like, you know, telephone calls that occur over the internet, and so things drop out and stuff and that’s just, you know, part of the technology, okay? But we want to try to stay away from the lower quality is you’re saying there is that balance there’s a balance there’s definitely a bounce labbate, you know, and and sometimes if you’re if what you’re saying and what you’re presenting is just so compelling many times, people will ignore it. True enough, but it yes, it’s too much trouble to listen to. All right, mazarene i think we got that. Way. Got a satisfactory answer out of him. Let’s, talk about some distribution. You talk about rs s doing that doing the distribution through your blogged but there’s places like youtube. If you’re doing video or itunes let’s, talk a little about some other distribution channels in just a couple minutes. We have left. Sure. So the simple answer i should say that the simple thing to focus on right now is ours. Many people in in, you know, the business of podcasting upset our recess is dead. And in some respects, it is in term, in the meaning that it’s not put in front of the consumer anymore. And it shouldn’t be right. It should just happen in the background. No one should know what our senses it’s just work. So but if you would like to appear in places like the itunes podcast directory or even the zune marketplace, right, which is for windows, phones and other things that zoon has expelled. Z. You any okay? Zune used to be a device that microsoft produced. They no longer do. But the marketplace is still there. Um, the only way to get in those directories isto have a valid rcs feed so that’s very important that’s and that’s for audio and video. Just as importantly, if you’re if you’re distributing video, don’t just rely on youtube. If you want to get on devices like the like raku, raku set top boxes and get one of their, they have up channels there where you can create your own channel on roku box, you have to do it using s s, but distribution is is obviously critical, and our sex is the best way to get yourself found and distributed. Okay, i have ah, some some results from our pre show listener survey, and while i’m going through these, i’m going to ask you to think about the question also from at wild woman fund recommend a particular flip? Would you recommend a flip camera over talk shoe? And while you’re thinking about that, how many people in the audience listen to audio podcast about seventy percent and the other, you know that there do not? Do you put recording gear into the hands of those who serve your populations so they can show off the work that they do on ly ten percent doing it with video gear and the rest are not putting here putting stuff into their into the hands of volunteers and employees actually doing the work of the non-profit and who’s active in youtube, only about twenty percent then it’s split between forty percent that don’t have a youtube channel it all and the remaining forty percent who have won but are not keeping it current so well, disappointing in terms of the especially the last one. The distribution on and also let’s get mohr podcasting into the hands of people who are doing the work as there as they’re meeting your constituents doing your good work let’s have them documenting it and sharing it. Absolutely. How about mazarene question? Would you recommend a flip camera over talks? You so that’s that’s essentially what i recommend talk she was ah, is a live broadcast thing with the telephone. A flip cam? Absolutely. The audio. The audio quality and video quality on those devices are excellent and there’s there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him. I happen to be a fan of the kodak zia models or any of the any of the c i x models. Whatever they are there’s a new one that just came out. And they’re great, and they allow, even for a microphone, have a microphone, jack so you can record video and still get very good audio using an external microphone. I can vouch for those because we use those on our remote. And john federico is the producer of this show, he’s, also more importantly, principal of the new rules, which you will find at new rules. Dot com. We have to leave it there. John federico, thanks very much for coming to studio. Thanks for having me telling great pleasure. We’ll take a break when we come back. A very abbreviated tony’s take to stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. 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Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. Yeah. Welcome back to big eyed big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio. Scott koegler are you out there? I’m here tell me, it’s, good to talk to you, scott koegler is our regular tech contributor, he’s, the editor of non-profit technology news, and we’re talking today about twitter organization pages. Yes, we are okay, what’s, what’s new over in twitter well, organizational pages, now that you ask, yes, there’s something that people have have been kind of asking for ever since facebook allowed youto put up a business page or some kind of page about your organization, and and especially since google now has a similar kind of pages where you can actually not just be a person who could be a business or organization non-profit and talk about the entity rather than the person. So the the idea, wass and guess has come to fruition that twitter instead of having a personal information page, which, of course we want seen now has the ability to make an organizational page and so that’s come, you know, come to life that’s there are these essentially the same as the personal page it’s just allowed. Now for organizations or is it a different format? It’s slightly different, i’ve looked at a few of them and for the life of me, um, it’s tough to tell the difference in the format overall because if you have, if somebody has put together a highly customized personal page, if we’d taken the time to do that, it’s pretty obvious that they could have also done a customized business page. So personally, i’m not really enthused about it, but okay, you’re not so enthused, i’m not okay tell tell us why. Well, for a couple of weeks but let’s talk about what it does for ok, give me that kind of thing, why it’s there and what it’s for? And then i’ll tell you why i don’t think everybody’s taking over the show today, you may as well is also good that’s a total hijack. Damn blakemore, i want this documented on twitter. So twitter is you know that twitter pages, they’re easy to set up you khun, you go in there and you can identify non-profit you could put your message up there. I think the most important part of it aside from just co-branding put in here. Their logo on some links along the left hand side that allow people that visit that page to go where you want them to go is that you can also take tweets or postings and make them sticking you khun have them stay there at the top of the page, visible first for essentially as long as you like. Of course, if you follow a twitter stream on your own on your own page, you know that twitter messages come and go pretty quickly, depending on you’re following, right? So you can pick one one tweet tb stickies that how does i believe that there are some number of tweets? I don’t know exactly what the number is, but it’s more than one and probably less than a hundred, but you can say these messages, but i want people to see when they come to the page. Okay, so if you feel you’ve been particularly insightful or descriptive of your organizations, work in one or maybe a couple of hundred forty character posts, then those are the ones you can choose to be sticky is is that it? Yes, and i believe that it’s available for any tweet, not just your own ok, you have a somebody who tweeted cubine service is great and i love you guys. You really do wonderful things in the world. You khun you know, make that sticky and let the rest of the world see it without having that have passed by, you know, out of recognition in about five minutes. Okay? Do you know if the’s organization pages allow multiple administrators? They do? Actually, how does that work? Um, well, pretty well, um, you know, there’s there’s, lots of tools around that external twitter that allow you to do that. So i don’t really count that as a new future, maybe move built into twitter but, uh, things like, i think, sees mick and tweet deck and there’s, another one called market new suite, and those allowed groups of people to manage put it postings, streams, that kind of thing, okay, from very high end applications that are for large corporations that, you know more than just allow you to post, uh, multiple people post they actually do cem statistical analysis and they say what tweets has been recognized, what’s been retweeted all those kind of things, and so so yes, um, multiple people posting to a twitter stream is something that really has been done for a while, okay? Let’s talk just ah, briefly, i think about the analytics of this. I mean, there are ways of a cz you just mentioned finding out what’s gotten the most play or what the most retweets in the and to use their to use their language and seeing what’s basically what’s most popular, right, right, right and echoes a couple of measurements of that one is how many retweets did a particular comment get? Of course that you know, that’s when something goes viral, real popular and, you know, the first person tweeted it and there was five people tweeted it to their friends and then on from there, and it takes off so there are tools, and i wish i could tell you which which ones they were, but i’m just not that well versed on on which tools are around to do that. But i can tell you that, uh, there are many of them, certainly more than a dozen some of them do very, very deep analytics in a group setting. I don’t how much you want to talk about this? Portion of the group setting where you have multiple people managing a twitter stream, it becomes important which of those people are active in which are not which of those people are contributing tweets that get tweeted and recognized, commented on and which are not oh, excellent. All right, so you can cross analyzed across you can analyze across different contributors within your organization exactly, and that becomes really important. I mean, if you want to incentivize the people that are managing that forty becomes real important if you just want to weed out the staff, you know, same thing you want to know who’s the champ, right? Excellent. Scott, since we’re in the middle of this deeply, why don’t you tell us what your twitter ideas uh, my my twitter ideas real simple with scott koegler c o t t k o g l e r and be happy to have any more followers, although i have to say is i kind of alluded to i don’t really follow twitter all that much, you know? Well, okay, well, now, that’s not to say it’s irrelevant to everyone, but it it has become less relevant to me. Ok? And so why is that? Oh, so wait well before instead of asking that, what is it that twitter generally is not, uh, something that you spend a lot of time with? Or you meant earlier that the twitter organization pages are not really thrilling you? Well, let’s talk about twitter organization pages topic, you know my personal likes and dislikes you probably relevant, but, um it’s faras the twitter organization page here’s the first thing how many times do you go to to some organizations? Twitter paige? Yeah, probably rare, right? I mean, maybe one looking at their own stream on dure, often not doing it on twitter dot com, right? So the first time you did, maybe when you got, you know, when you saw them join your your twitter fan club and he went over there and wondered who this organization wass took a look at it, but but frankly, that’s, probably the last time, and so my recommendation is you spend whatever, whatever reasonable, half an hour or an hour, ok, get up your twitter organization page and i just forget about it because, you know, i don’t think there’s going to be much traffic and that’s very different from certainly from facebook where, uh, that paige is, will you get interaction that’s where people find out about you that’s where, on your content lives and uh and, you know, i think that, uh, we’re gonna find pretty much the same thing and google plus, now that they have a couple of pages organization pages, although i think google plus probably has more attraction to a to its organization pages, then put a will, you know the difference with twitter being that people are largely managing on following it off on different applications like hoot suite or tweetdeck, right? Right, exactly so so it’s just it’s a different breed of social media property where people just are not going back and not so apt to see the teo look for that page eso you don’t, you don’t find so many features that it makes it attractive to go to someone’s to an organisation twitter page. Exactly. I don’t even see how you really are going to invite people to your page. All right? Eso while at wild woman fund, is asking on twitter, how do you find a non-profits twitter page is through a hashtag or what? How? Was that done? I, uh you can always check the non-profits page twitter page, so if you click on the name of the non-profit it will take you to that page and what’s happened is that my fault user page that was there before has been replaced by the organization page, okay, but unless that’s advertised on the organization’s website, which actually is probably a much more populous place and much more active place in a better place to put them that you want people to find out about, uh dahna twitter page, there really is going to be still left let’s reason to even go look, yeah, ok, well, i think it’s valuable that you say, you know, it’s something to spend a little bit of time on, but don’t don’t go crazy like you would, you know, maybe designing ah facebook landing page is not like that exactly, i would say don’t ignore it, you know, put a little bit of time into it and and use it for whatever it’s worth. But i do have a couple of things that came up in a study that i read about dahna about they were talking particularly aboutthe twitter. Pages. But i think this is really good in general, ok, and scott, we just we just have a minute before a break, so just summarize a little bit and then we’ll come back. We’ll have more time, ok study that was done by a simple usability, and they essentially studied twenty or so brand pages on twitter, and they also have expertise in landing page designs. So we’ll go through some of these when we get back. And, frankly, the things you probably ought to already know what they were thinking about, particularly if you can’t spend minimal time designing your page. Okay, we’ll come back with those. This is tony martignetti non-profit radio with scott koegler talking about twitter organization pages. Stay with us, talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. 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You’re listening to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent zoho in-kind welcome back to the show we have ah contribution from at wild woman fund talking about measuring twitter results and she’s recommending the girl short inner sight. Nine that’s the number nine dot tc and there’s a way that you then you shortened earl and add a plus sign at the end of your short linc, and it’ll it’ll give you stats. So that site again is nine dot tc, and that, of course, comes from our own live tweeting, which dan blakemore is doing for us today and you, khun, during the conversation using the hashtag non-profit radio, scotty kegs you, uh you had a little more for us, right? I’d like to go into some of the findings that the simple usability analysis company and again, these things are pretty straightforward things that you probably know already, but, uh, just go through him. So what they’re saying is that that what they looked at, where people’s reactions to these landing pages in particular, they were looking at twitter pages, but i would say it really is valid for google plus pages and also for facebook pages first one is, uh, they’ll make it to corporate, you know, if it has that kind of a corporate feel um, you know, people are going goingto look elsewhere, they’re going to think those too much about sales going be branding and, uh, so you want it to be kind of late, maybe lively, more personal, no, and they recommended you do use contests and promotions, you know, we use that in an email marketing a lot to put a contest or a promotion, and and it gets people more involved, it makes them want to come back if nothing else, it there’s a new contest to see if they won on the biggest losers that they that they call on sights and brand pages that look like they’re really just telling you what to do. In other words, they’re selling something to and we want to keep away from that so there’s a delicate balance between not looking to corporate but offering prizes in promotions but at the same time not being sales for non-profits that comes across those don’t don’t ask for contributions every single time. I’m sure most of you already know that mantra pretty well, no, but always worth repeating where khun listeners get this surveys is available. For free let’s. See, i found it on reed. Right. Web. Um, read rite web dot com it’s? Uh, yep. Lead right. Web dot com. And if you search for, uh, twitter, just do a search on site twitter brand pages you come up with, uh, that was probably a couple of hours, but i know that for sure. Okay? And what was the organization that did that one again? It’s called simple usability. Simple usability. Excellent. Okay, we have just a minute or so left. Scott, anything you want to leave us with about twitter organization pages? You know, just once again, go ahead and take advantage of it. It’s free it’s not going to hurt you. I’m not sure it’s going to be much good, but, you know, go ahead and don’t ignore it. Make sure that you have some kind of presence out there. Certainly, when you, when you have the opportunity to include a link to that page, just as you would madeline to twitter stream adeline to that page it’s one more set of exposures that may be good. Kayman so, you know beyond that it’s standard things you know make it make it useful. Make it easy for you to digest. Easy to understand, not too busy, all those kind of design issues always want to think about scott koegler is our regular tech contributor and the editor of non-profit technology news, which you’ll find at n p tech news. Dot com scott, thank you very much. Good to have you again. Thanks, tony. My pleasure, it’s time now for tony’s take to which i, which i neglected tio do you earlier because i got so excited about twitter organization pages that i was more excited about them than scott was my block this week is my nextgencharity interviews part three, and i just want o explain what those with the three interviews in that part three were, and by the way, they were all recorded with the help of john federico, my guest earlier, because he was on that remote with me producing that rachel chung is the founder of catch a fire dot or ge, and she has ideas about making volunteering meaningful, trying to get highly skilled, busy people who want to help non-profits connected with those non-profits and she’s got some idea about some ideas about making that experience important. There are branding and other business lessons applicable charities and some of those come from the founder of the very consistent brand echo enterprises i interviewed the founder and ceo mark echo, neil strauss has non-profit tips from the art of seduction and attraction learned when he was on assignment for rolling stone to go undercover in a secret society of pickup artists. This is all true. I’m not making this up. I wish i wish i had this kind of imagination, it’s all true. One of his lessons is don’t open with your clothes. So, guys, if you want to pick up more women women, if you want to pick up more men charities, if you want to raise more money, listen to that interview again. That’s neil strauss interview and his book is called the game, and those three videos air on my blogged at m p g a d v dot com this week’s post, which is called my next-gen charity interviews part three, and that is tony’s take two for friday, january thirteenth, the second show of this year. 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069: SoMe 4 PG & Your Nonprofit In Politics – Tony Martignetti Nonprofit Radio
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Kristen Schultz, senior vice president at Crescendo Interactive
Emily Chan of the Nonprofit & Exempt Organizations Law Group
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Dahna welcome to tony martignetti non-profit radio big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent. I’m your aptly named host. I hope you were with me two weeks ago when we had your plan. That was jason hutchins as my guest, he’s, the president of non-profit solutions. And he told you why you need a night plan and what belongs in it. We talked about budget equipment outsourcing the cloud and mme, or to help you avoid an crisis and the goods on google plus pages are tech contributor scott koegler, the editor of non-profit technology news. He’s on with me once a month, you kicked the tires on the recently released google plus pages for organizations. Should you take one for a test drive? How are they different than facebook pages? And last week i hope you enjoyed your thanksgiving. I hope you did not go shopping on thanksgiving day this week. So me for pg kristen schultz, senior vice president for crescendo, is going to share her research and interview results on the best uses of social media to support your plan to giving program video’s testimonials blogging tech in from technical information and she’s joining us from camarillo, california our next guest on the show is also from california. It’s going to be your non-profit in politics emily chan, one of our regular legal contributors from the non-profit and exempt organizations law firm in san francisco, identifies the limits around political campaign activity and election earing we’re approaching a presidential election year. What can your non-profit do? And how does the irs decide whether you’ve crossed the line under the first amendment? What can your employees say on tony’s? Take two at roughly thirty two minutes after the hour my block this week is thank you. There are many things i’m thankful for, and i’ll talk a little about those on tony’s take two. We’re live tweeting this week we have a guest live tweeter manette singleton from atlanta, georgia. Thank you very much, lynette, thanks for joining us. You can follow lynette she’s at s c g for non-profits and that’s a number four and to join the conversation on twitter with lynette’s live tweeting use hashtag non-profit radio this show is sponsored by g grace corporate real estate solutions. We’re going to take a break. And when we returned, kristen schultz from crescendo. So me for pg, stay with me. Dafs you’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you suffering from aches and pains? Has traditional medicine let you down? Are you tired of taking toxic medications, then come to the double diamond wellness center and learn how our natural methods can help you to hell? Call us now at to one to seven to one eight, one eight three that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight three or find us on the web at www dot double diamond wellness dot com. We look forward to serving you. Is your marriage in trouble? Are you considering divorce? Hello, i’m lawrence bloom, a family law attorney in new york and new jersey. No one is happier than the day their divorce is final. My firm can help you. We take the nasty out of the divorce process and make people happy. Police crawl. Offset. Two, one, two, nine, six, four, three, five, zero two for a free consultation. That’s lawrence h bloom two, one two, nine, six, four, three five zero two. We make people happy. Hyre hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable rates? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com oh! Welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio, i guess now is kristen schultz. Kristen is an attorney at crescendo interactive. She specializes in online marketing and social media for planned gif ts she speaks widely and is a principal faculty member of gift college christians on the board of the american council on gift annuities and isa boardmember for the partnership for philanthropic planning of greater los angeles, you’ll find her on twitter at crescendo tweet and her planned giving blogger is kristen schultz dot black spot dot com i’m very glad that kristin’s work brings her to the show. Christian schulz welcome tony, pleasure to have you on you did some research and some interviews to try to discover best practices for planned e-giving why don’t you tell us what your methodology was? Yeah, i was receiving questions on social media in my work with plan giving, charity and charities were asking me why my organization use social media were planned gift. Is anyone using these tools successfully? And how much time will this take? And really what they want to know is what is the return on their investment are they going to achieve any result from these efforts? And so i began looking for information in this area and found a lot really on the current giving side, but nothing specifically directed towards certain gifts. So i started to compile my own information i it took a survey and advertise it broadly and receive the numerous examples from charities across our community and began to share those as best practices that they spoke this last year and next year. Well, ok, and how many websites did you look at? How many charities did you hear from? I would say over a hundred different sites, and then i personally interviewed sixteen charities that i thought were the best example i found, and those are the ones i featured in my study, ok? And did those i guess the sixteen since you thought those were the best? Did they cluster around any particular mission? Charitable work? No, they were all different, i would say the majority of securities that are doing social media, our educational institutions in that makes sense because they’ve bought vast alumni networks and they’re already doing that for their students on. So i found a large group in the college and university field, but i have examples that are hospitals and medical centers and community foundations, all different types of organizations, okay, when i think that’s reassuring to charities to know that whatever their mission, they can do well with social media for planned e-giving maybe we should just give a little encouragement a little inducement, perhaps teo be using social media and promoting online giving? Well, obviously that’s an increasing trend right online, giving it is it’s an increasing trend and there’s been tremendous growth in that area there surveys produced by blackbaud, and they do the online giving report on video online e-giving group in two days ten by thirty five percent and at the same time, we’ve seen this rise of social media so there’s this explosion and growth on the web charities air trying to find easier ways to communicate more efficiently and cost effectively, and social media certainly is a place to be. Even if you think it’s a bad your donors or not, there they are, they’re there i looking at pictures of the grandchildren, and they’re on these mediums every day, and so it’s a perfect place to capture their attention? Do you find people who think that facebook, twitter linked in four, square are fads? Uh, you know, there certainly are some people that think that, but i think the majority of recognizing, like, the internet, a lot of people don’t want to set a plan giving websites, and now they realize that the direction the technology is going and we to be there and the charities that are there are going to capture that audience, and i didn’t mention google plus and i guess right, i guess you could say, you know, the i’ve seen written that tweeting it will be will be around for a very, very long time and there’s, the question is whether twitter would be around for a long time and that sort of captures, you know, the concept of meeting people online will, i think, is unending, but just whether it’ll be facebook ten years from now or google plus or something else that we don’t we’ve never even heard of, so i think the concepts will endure is just what platforms? Yeah, certainly we’ve seen changes in technology, you know, starting my face-to-face book, and now there might be a migration to google plus, we’ll have to see, but i think the idea is that individuals are out there, they’re using social media on a daily basis and whether you like the concept or not, that is where your supporters are at and if the captive audience and so i think there are a lot of charities that are really leveraging that they’re posting on facebook i daily basis, they’re not necessarily using it for fund-raising purposes and i don’t think that’s the goal, but they’re using it to build a relationship, and that really is the key. When we talk about plan, get what you want, a relationship and how should ah non-profit start in social media for planned e-giving yeah, i think the most important thing is to find out where your community is and the way you do that is through testing and listening there’s a lot of literature in this area that cantor kind of social media guru for non-profit she’s written about this non-profit technology network and ten has a lot of resources, but the idea is that you need to find out where your community is, and the best way to do that is to set up a facebook page, set up a twitter account, start posting and tweeting, advertise with your email on your website, and see where you are followers or your fans are at. And then, you know, this is the medium that’s working for me, and then you need to try some different types of posts or tweet to see what your community response. Teo so it’s a matter of really testing, listening and it’s going to be different for each organization. Christian schulz is senior vice president at crescendo. We’re talking about social media for your plan giving programme. We’re going to take a break. Please stay with us tooting, getting dink, dink dink, you’re listening to the talking alternate network duitz get in. Cubine are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, back-up two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three. The conscious consultant helping conscious people be better business people. Hi, this is psychic medium. Betsy cohen, host of the show. The power of intuition. Join me at talking alternative dot com mondays at eleven a. 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Durney welcome back to big non-profit ideas for the other ninety five percent on tony martignetti non-profit radio kristen schultz from crescendo interactive and i are talking about social media for your plan to giving program kristen i since you mentioned that this is not necessarily for getting gifts directly, but really just in large part building dona relationships. One of the poll questions that i asked listeners for before the show is whether you’re non-profit is using facebook to build donorsearch ships on day, three quarters of the respondents said either yes, quite a bit or yes, slightly and twenty five percent. We’re not using it at all, so overwhelming majority using facebook to build dahna relationships, what do you like to see in in terms of goal setting for social media around planned e-giving i think in terms of gold, you have to set some basic objective and then begin to track your results. I like the smart objective that non-profit technology, uh, network uses smart. I mean your specific about your goals, they’re measurable there, attainable the relevant and their time bound. For example, in the plan giving context, it might be that i post a link to sign up for my organization can give you use letter on facebook and i might that’s the goal of achieving thirty new sign up in the next thirty days so that’s, quantitative and it’s time down. But once you’ve set a basic objective like that, you can use some of the measurement tools to actually measure how you’ve achieved your results and absolute organizations want to see they want to see that they’re achieving results from their social media efforts. Where will we find the and ten groups? Do you know? Do you know there you are, l ten ntn dot or ge and that’s the non-profit technology network? Is that right? Okay, i have a lot of resource latto resource is out there for people who are dafs or social media experts who are actually doing the actual posting. Most of the organization’s i’ve talked to in the plane giving arena are not posting to the page. They have a general charity facebook page and there ford and post to that person. Okay, so let’s talk about some of the methods that non-profits can use are around social media for plan giving. What did you see around the use? Of video. Yeah, i’ve seen a lot of the area video, and i think this is a growing area. Facebook allows you to drop videos on youtube and establish a link, or you can record a video via webcam. Texas am university is an example of security that has dropped number of donors testimonials. I had a great one a couple of months ago. A couple of made a request through their will, and they are a couple that has spent generations of their family, their children and grandchildren through texas a and m. And so they shared their story and talked about why you should contribute teo and m in their requests, gifts and the benefit of social media with dr stories and testimony, menu testimonials and videos that individuals can respond right on the paint and so you can share in that enthusiasm. Both seems staff testimonials where staff members, charities will talk about why they’ve made a commitment to their will on and then mission videos are very popular. The citadel foundation has a great video talking about the work of their organization. Save the chimps are really wonderful, custom branded video that shares images of their work so there’s a lot you can do with video about facebook and all summer long, andi want toby reassuring to our writings, which is small and mid sized non-profits that that these videos don’t have to be high end there’s been there’s really compelling stuff out there? That’s really just like a flip cam, right? Really, you could drop anything on facebook that meet their specifications, but you’re just simply dropping the video out there and establishing a link, you know, youtube or where, and it just doesn’t need to be, you know, high production value as long as that you mentioned some donorsearch s timoney als and another question that i asked around facebook and since you mentioned it for listeners before the show is, are you using facebook to support your plan to giving program? Nobody said yes quite a bit about a third a little more than third said yes slightly and then all the rest, about two thirds said no, they’re not using facebook at all to support planned giving so summer some are using it for donor relationships generally based on the first question, but on this on this question, not really using it. So much for plan e-giving and that is true, and i did my survey there’s only a small group that it’s starting to use facebook and twitter and lengthen and some of these platforms for planned gift. But i think it’s a growing group, certainly we’ve seen a lot of growth the current giving side no securities air out there talking about their efforts, and they also have cast donation button paypal account’s attached to their facebook pages. But yeah, there hasn’t been a lot said about this in the plane, getting community and that’s why this research was so interesting to me, and i wonder if if some of that reluctance to use facebook for planned e-giving is because the older, older community sixty, people sixty seventies and eighties are reluctant to use facebook beyond, you know, just tracking keeping in touch with family. I think that some individuals you that correct, but it’s actually not if you look at these fucking site survey’s biggest growth has been in recent years women age fifty five plus they are online and again, they’re looking at grandchildren’s pictures and they’re on their facebook pages every day. And so there’s actually a growing group of seniors who are out there one of the individuals i talked with david moore from chapman university he’s got a facebook page that’s just dedicated to his plane getting group, and he established it because he found so many of the seniors who were supporters of the university were out there on facebook. So it’s surprising, but there is a growing group there and it’s, a group that you can capture their attention if you are out there with a present for your carrying on with kristen schultz, senior vice president for crescendo interactive. We’re talking about planned your social media for planned e-giving remind you that we are live tweeting when that singleton is guest live tweeting for us. Use the hashtag non-profit radio to join the conversation on twitter and if you have a question you want to call in, we can’t take your call at eight seven seven four aito for one two oh eight, seven, seven, four aito for one two oh, you mentioned the quests kristen, is that really the place to start? If if you’re a small and midsize shop, is that the? Is that the place to start your social? Media effort? Yeah, it really is. The majority of plan gifts are still bequest. Request our blanket virtually any charity can offer and it’s interesting. Because if you look at the statistics, lawyers got confidence survey, sixty five percent of adults have no plan. And so a lot of individuals have not even begun to plan for their future. But planning when it does start its beginning earlier than we previously thought. It’s actually not a sixty five at forty forty five, the average age for the first will of actually forty four. And this is based on a study that was reproducing if key eventjournal average age for first requested forty nine and you can see actually metoo start capturing the attention of individuals in their forties when we talk about plan gift. Okay. And of course, i want to keep myself out of george in jail on the show we have judge in jail. And, you know, i said bequests. I just wanna make sure that everybody understands that that is a gift in someone’s will i think most people understand that, but i want to stay clear of dark in jail because if i’m in george in jail than be nobody to talk to you way we just have to hang up now would be the end so that we don’t want that. How about getting testimony? Sorry, getting technical information to either donors or advisors? How much of that did you see? I would say the most common plan getting post on facebook or tweet on twitter are short they’re typically wanted two lines with a short length back-up teo plan getting website and it’s really important to use a short link when you’re linking teo anything on your site, go to billy dot com or tinyurl dot com the best toasts are always the ones that linked to interactive tools or ask the reader to take action or respond. One organization i’ve seen it done quite well in marquette community foundation in northern michigan. They are on facebook and they have established a series of link on facebook. Teo will kit, and they invite people to download this freak it it’s a guide to planning your will and trust and that’s led to request discussions on the page. Uh, it’s resulted in vivid when someone asked questions on the page, and it seems that they’re interested to get planner will then take the discussion off the page and going have a normal visit, just like you would do with any plan gift, and that resulted in commitments for the organization. Both cast cash gift, but also bequest. Okay on dh that’s ah, technical information for donors. Did you see much use of technical information for advisors on being promoted around social media? I mean, i know technical sites exist for planners and advisors, but did you see non-profits encouraging advisers to go there through their own social media? I have not seen as much of that, but what i have seen is that there are a couple of non-profit that have advertise seminars for sessions for advisors, you, twitter and facebook, and i’m thinking of a jewish organization, the washington dc area, that sundown fairly effectively, but yeah, i don’t see a lot of post directed towards advisors from charity. Ok, let’s, talk a little about blogging. I know you. You have some have some tips about blogging. What? Just let’s again. Tryto encourage people. Why should there be a plan giving block? Yeah, i think that blogger is your own expression the way teo. Talk frankly about your work, your mission. And there are some organizations that have done that very effectively. Valencia college foundation in florida. Sorry, where was that? Was valencia? Yeah, valencia kottler foundation that gives planner there. Dahna marino has a great blogged herb log is on the word press platform and she’s featured a number of different types of plant gifts. She’s talked about the quest, uh, stock gift. She in a bequest post, will post her bequest language so individual knows how to include the charity in their plan, she always post to a gift acknowledgement, forms a form where the individual can fill that out, acknowledge a guest and join their legacy society on and all of her posts link back to her plan, getting website and her email and so she’s using the bloggers away to drive people to the plan, giving sight for more information and what’s your advice around driving people to the bog. I think that’s a great idea as well, it’s just that unless you build a really comprehensive block, you won’t have all of the information that you might have on your plan giving sight so you would have to make sure that you have big coverage of the different gift model and also, you know, some really motivating stories, but certainly she’s making a good example, someone who has built up a plan getting file, she actually files and takes her block and all of her blog’s are filed under plan giving. So if i wanted to find all of the information on plan giving on her block, i would just click on plan giving and she’s built up a fairly comprehensive list of posts on plan getting topic. So i think you can grow that over time, but it might not include all the information you might have on your plan getting website, you know, write clearly, and i was just i’m asking about howto promote the blog’s that people go there, people go there to see it, and then they find the information elsewhere. How does she promote or what? What’s your advice around promoting the block well, when i drop a block, i always tweet to it right away and so my twitter followers no, i’ve just posted something and then my block also migrates over to facebook so a charity can connect their blawg to their facebook page and by tweets also migrate over to facebook, and then i have my facebook page and my twitter account linked, smiling, then account, and so anyone whose only sin will be able to view both of those. And so when you connect your accounts like that, i think it really saved you a lot of time you only have to post or tweet in one place and the information then migrates over to the different platforms. So you’re reaching different audiences, and i know that he does that also effectively, they post to the block with your face. So all these are inextricably intertwined. They’re all pointing to each other. Okay? And then the block is the source of information deeper information you said their links and archives pointed to from there right? I also spoke to someone from unicef foundation and they have a great block. They feature donorsearch stories and they will post their facebook page a link to the block every time they have a new story. Alright, kristen, we have to leave it there. That’s video testimonials, technical information for donors and advisors and blogging. Christian schulz is senior vice president for crescendo interactive. She mentioned that she actively tweets. You can follow her on twitter at at crescendo tweet. Kristen schultz, thank you very much for being a guest. Thank you, it’s. Been a real pleasure having you. We’re going to take a break, and when we return, it’ll be tony’s take to my block this week. Thank you, and then after that, we’ll have emily chan talking about your non-profit in politics, so stay with me. You’re listening to the talking alternative network. Are you feeling overwhelmed in the current chaos of our changing times? A deeper understanding of authentic astrology can uncover solutions in every area of life. After all, metaphysics is just quantum physics. Politically expressed buy-in, montgomery, taylor and i offer lectures, seminars and private consultations. For more information, contact me at monte m o nt y at r l j media. Dot com are you stuck in your business or career trying to take your business to the next level, and it keeps hitting a wall? This is sam liebowitz, the conscious consultant. I will help you get to the root cause of your abundance issues and help move you forward in your life. Call me now and let’s. Create the future you dream of. Two, one, two, seven, two, one, eight, one, eight, three, that’s to one to seven to one eight one eight, three. Conscious consultant. Helping conscious people. Be better business people. Hey, all you crazy listeners looking to boost your business? Why not advertise on talking alternative with very reasonable race? Interested simply email at info at talking alternative dot com. Welcome back, it’s. Time for tony’s. Take two. My block this week is thank you. Thank you very much for listening to the show whether you listen live or to the podcast. There are a thousand of you that download our podcast from itunes and i’m very grateful for that. I also thank my clients for trusting me with their plan to giving work or their charity registration work. Thank you. Also to the eleven hundred people who get my weekly radio email alerts. I am grateful that you let me into your inbox thinly veiled as a radio show. Thank you. Thanks to those who follow my blogged and comment on the block, i have a lot to be thankful for. And there’s mohr gratitude expressed on my block this week. The name of the post is thank you and you’ll find my block at mpg a d v dot com. Thank you. That’s tony’s, take two for friday, december second. Joining me now is emily chan. Emily, how you doing? I’m doing really well. How are you? Excellent. Very good to have you back on the show. Emily is an attorney at neo-sage non-profit and exempt organizations law. Firm in san francisco, and she is principal contributor at the non-profit law blawg dot com. You can follow emily on twitter under her name at emily chan. Emily we’re talking this week about political activity we’re coming up on a presidential election year just generally what is the rule around political activity by non-profits so today we’re going to focus on five, oh one, three organizations, but it would be like public charities, and the general rule is that they’re absolutely prohibited from engaging in political campaign activity on so generally this means things like no contributions, no endorsement by the organization and no use of the organization’s resources by one candidate without giving equal opportunity to the other candidates. And i want to thank you for catching me. You’re very thoughtful when i say non-profits that’s really not right? We’re talking about five o one c three, the charitable part because there are lots of non-profits that are not five or one c three, not charitable, so thank you for that and you didn’t even even called me out and possible jargon jail violation was because i missed used the term we’re not talking about non-profits like labor. Unions or or membership associations were talking about exactly as you said, the charitable sector of the five o one see threes, but thank you you mentioned not using the charity’s resource is what what kinds of resource is do. Charities need to be careful about their employees possibly using or or the or board members possibly using so there’s actually quite an array of resources that could lead into political campaign activity if used improperly to touch upon the first one you mentioned about staff on board members there’s, a major confusion area for many five on three organizations about what their staff on board members could do in their individual capacity. Because people have first amendment rights so many times individuals want to engage in political campaign activity on their own behalf, sometimes it causes problems. So for example, when that individual uses their organizational email address, they make statements at an organization sponsored event basically things out with lead one to believe that it’s the organization speaking or asking that person to speak or supporting what that individual says. The organizations want to be very clear in making that separation between what an individual khun d’oh in. Their individual capacity on what the organization is prohibited from doing so that’s interesting just use of the company or the sorry the charity’s email. I mean, i think people probably use their office e mail all the time because it’s just so much easier than switching back and forth between that gmail account or something, but so if your if you’re using your charities email, then that’s gonna that’s gonna look like you’re speaking on behalf of the charity? Yes, it certainly could, and so organizations will wantto have policies to make sure that the individuals are aware of this. But i think in most cases, it’s not intentional. I don’t think the individual wants to get the organization in trouble, but as you said, it may just be a matter of convenience or just not being knowledgeable about the kind of restrictions on the organization. So the organization should really put this into a policy and educate their staff on board members about what they can’t dio another issue with the board members or officers in the organizational when they used their titles and they speak and then are identified as being what say, the president of such organization in most cases, you want teo avoid that one possible. But if identification is going to be used in that way, really have a disclaimer that it’s just for identification purposes, because, again, there needs to be a difference between, you know, joe speaking on behalf of joe it’s, president, when joe, as the president, speak on behalf of the organization. So if someone is introduced, then at an affair on and they are going to be talking about a political statement, so so let’s say, somebody introduces joe, and they say that he’s a board member of a charity and then joe goes and and gives his political opinion about whether it’s a candidate or an issue, you’re saying that the use of that charity’s name in the introduction could cause a problem it could. But again, there are ways to add more protection around that. So asking the host of the defense to put that disclaimer out there that it’s just for identification purposes, having now disclaimer language in let’s, say the event brochure just to be sure that the attendees who were coming in other outsiders who are seeing this know that it’s just being used. Teo identify this joe from another job, but it’s not actually on behalf of the organization that he people excellent advice? Is there a difference between talking about political candidates on dh political issues or they or it doesn’t matter if they’re certainly is so with this absolute prohibition? It’s a facts and circumstances, of course, many things god organizations care about are going to be related teo elections, i mean, the people who are in the office can really influence the kind of policy and, you know, laws that our leader decided, so there are some cream izabal election related activities. The best way i’ve had it described to me is that these air yellow light activities you always want to proceed with caution because of the fact that given any kind of facts and circumstances, it could cross over into this prohibited activity. So the kind of things that organizations can do with the would be activities like voter education, such a voter guide doing voter registration like we’ve seen get out the vote candidate education, so sending all the candidates to educate them, dr policy issues and also issue advocacy and if you have this in particular, is one area that organization should be cautious about as faras crossing into political campaign activities, especially if they have advocacy on certain wedge issues. So the kind of issues that really distinguish one candidate from another, such as, you know, pro life, pro choice, looking at all the facts and circumstances if an organization is only doing this in election years really close to the election that’s not going to look right to the iris, others, but if, for example, they do it all the years, including non election years made do with the same kind of mean and scope, and they’re really doing it then to highlight their charities agenda, then that’s going to be something that issue ads that is permissible okay. And again, the name of that test that the irs applies is facts and circumstances. Is that right? Yes, like most of their test way. Then you come back. Okay, well, i guess i’m context is important, but but it also that’s such a sort of a nebulous test that it doesn’t really give a lot of guidance to non-profits to charities, right? And so that’s again why these are yellow light activities. Proceed with caution certainly seek experts to help you, especially if you’re doing something that could be seen as possibly being in support or in opposition to a candidate for public office. It’s really important to note that because the rule as a friend and it comes right out of five one two three in the internal revenue code is absolute, the revocation is the penalty, so that is pretty severe. River give me revocation of charitable status. Yes, on so that’s a severe penalty that you know the death sentence, any charity? Generally speaking, you see more of intermediate penalties. And so there’s also a penalty tax that the irs can impose on the organization and managers who approved knowingly approve a political like senator. But because that way let me stop you. How does that penalty tax work tax on attacks on what so it attacks of the political expenditure. But it can be imposed on the organization, so that would be ten percent. And then it also could be imposed on a manager who knowingly approved the political senator. And that would be two point five percent of the political on does that mean the manager would be personally? Liable to pay that tax? Do you know or work in the charity? Pay it on the person’s behalf. The person would be personally liable. And there’s also a second layer of attacks that can come in if the organization does not collect it or the manager, another manager, or that the manager refuses to approve the correction. So again, there’s some serious final piece because the public charities really are not supposed to be election hearing organization there there for public purposes for the public. Good. Look, let me ask you, emily, how come things like voter education and voter registration? You mentioned how come those things are allowed? These are seen of activity that helped facilitate democracy, but the same concept, the pie again as far the organization needing to be mutual and nonpartisan. So, for example, with voter education guide, he should not be guide that rank candidate. They really should be informative so that it allows the individual to make the decision of who they will vote for voter registration again, that can’t be just targeted to certain political affiliation or, you know, some kind of group them that would be aligned more with party affiliations. Of the post suggest getting people to register so these guys really need to be fair and balanced on dh oh, my god, fair and balanced. That’s fox is to say that and then they told they can’t know that’s a bad phrase. Lynette singleton, don’t don’t tweet that out fair and balanced thes things need to be nonpartisan. They need to be neutral, right? Right? Is that it? Okay, um, something about the organization should keep in mind with all of its activities because again, they can help the facility with democracy help educate the public, but they really shouldn’t be making that decision for the public for who they vote for. Okay, what if a charity invites candidates to speak or invites a candidate to speak? How does that work if they want to have, like, a political night where the candidates themselves speak that impermissible election related activity? But again, there are certain back-up that the organization wants be sure they take care of so all candidates should be invited to speak. If you’re having something like a debate, you know each candidate should be able to have equal time to speak there should be unusual moderator creating as much of a mutual, unbiased environment as possible will be important. You know, no campaigning, far fund-raising should be taking place, and no one from the organisation should be making statements to support or oppose someone who was there. Okay, again, neutral, you even mentioned neutral moderator very good. Okay, we’re going to take a break. Emily chan is going to stay with us, of course, for our last segment, talking about your non-profit and politics and election earing. So stay with us. Talking alternative radio, twenty four hours a day. Hi, i’m carol ward from the body mind wellness program. Listen to me, my chauffeur, ideas and information to help you live a healthier life in body, mind and spirit. You’ll hear from terrific guests who are experts in the areas of health, wellness and creativity. So join me every thursday at eleven a, m eastern standard time on talking alternative dot com professionals serving community. This is tony martignetti athlete named host of tony martignetti non-profit radio. 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He’s. Not in the office. Cubine is not the office. All right, you’re covering will be on the next. Okay, i keep document these things. There are records you mentioned training a couple of times, what’s what’s the best way to train employees about what the policies are so that they know that the constraints, the first step to training, i think, is having a policy, i think that’s something that many organizations don’t have when it comes, teo advocacy related work, having the organization first become aware and informed of what they need to know is so crucial to then passing on that training, too. Volunteers dafs so once they have the policy, it really just be something of going through the policy together of revisiting that every year and making sure it’s up to date with the law and making sure that that handbook essentially is acceptable to anyone who would be having access to things like the organizations, email or social media accounts or would be staffing and events. Something we haven’t talked about yet is on individuals, election choices. Can i use the charity’s email or platform and and say what i’ve, how, how i voted or how i feel about a candidate? I don’t know, not about a candidate, sorry, but can i say how i have voted or how i intend to vote that is most likely going to be viewed closer along the lines of prohibited political campaign activity, again, using the organization as a platform than to an outsider, it certainly can have the appearance of the organization itself now engaging in this prohibited political campaign activity, even if it was an intentional, really, you know, organizations should not be able to indirectly circumvent the rules, so in that case, organization should not be publicising how individual votes and individuals in the organization should not be. Using organizational resources are platform teo voice that since this fact in circumstances test is so nebulous, i’m going to guess that social media is going to be kind of a gray area, depending on what the activity is like. Like if the organization lynx let’s se teoh somebody’s into account its website. Yes, that’s correct. A social media is such a dissolving field right now, there’s a lot of uncertainties and question marks far how the wall will fall down on this, but it certainly creates more opportunity for organizations to unknowingly or even knowingly violate the rules. So the irs has suggested, basically, from most of it, revenue rulings, another information that’s coming out that it is going to hold charities responsible, for example, the links that they have established on their web site. Two other pages, so what’s item bob chat room bulletin for its face. But this is all being treated the same way printed material has been treated traditionally by the irs. Not something organization needs to be careful about, because, you know if you link to a page one day that page, maintain tomorrow and you may not know that so any kind of connection you have to outside link should be revisited and ensure that they’re not putting the organization in a bad position. How does the irs find out about these things? Do do we know? Do they randomly check oars that when somebody blows the whistle, how does how did they find out? There are many channels for which the irs will start investigating an organization. It may come from news reports from reports from the public from things that they know internally, but win organisations so out of form ten twenty three they also put their website. And so that is something that the ira certainly will look at at the initial stage, and it’s something that on record too. So there are many ways to find out what an organization is doing, especially today on and if you are let’s, say, a controversial organization, it would not be surprising them that the media would also be paying a lot of attention. He was, well, way talked about linking to candidates website. What if the organization links to all the candidates websites with that, then be election education or you think that would be over the line? It depends of course, so that the best you can always say no family depends what gene gene over here getting no, i’m joking it again. We want to look at the purpose for why they’re linking to begin with. So it’s it’s something more similar to a voter education guide where it’s saying, you know, descriptions about each candidate’s and then providing it as like a more information line that’s that’s more like, you know, neutral information being passed on to the individual. If it’s something though we’re now it seems like one candidate is getting, you know, kind of more favoritism, mama sight or, you know, kind of less exposure like you have three candidates on your main page and to that air four clicks in, so there are a lot harder to find then. Now the facts and circumstances changing there’s no real purpose for linking it. That also raises the question of why the winks or even they’re really it would depend on all the facts and circumstances for why those wings are on the page to begin with. And your answer that it depends, i think, is perfect because it is because charity’s it is a nebulous test. Facts and circumstances and charities need to be very, very cautious and risk averse. Yes, on a great point that comes out of the question to questions about the different ways that organizations can connect tio candidates. So i believe you mentioned things like friending or re tweeting or liking their pace. I mean, these are all questions that the irs is going to have to deal with. So from a more conservative standpoint, you know, organization stands, they want to be very cautious about kind of avoiding any situation that could potentially lead to being seen as a favour to them. No, again, if there’s no real purpose in doing it, it’s probably best to not put the organization at risk by testing the waters in those areas where the irs is not clear yet on how it’s going to take a position on the kind of action. Emily chan is an attorney at the non-profit and exempt organizations law firm in san francisco. She’s, a principal contributor to the non-profit law block, which you’ll find at non-profit low block dot com. You can follow her on twitter at emily chan emily, thanks very much for being on again. Thank you for having me, it’s. Always a pleasure. Thank you. Give our regards to jean. 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